I don't think they should call it a GNX, or GN. I'm hoping they bring back that name plate for a RWD car based on the camaro platform (now that pontiac is dead). I know.. wishful thinking.
I don't think that GS should be put on it either. Granted I thought the old GS was a cool contender with the supercharged 3.8... but why associate it with something that it isn't.
The Acura was uglified, while the Mazda 6 was blobified and softened. So yeah, there isn't much else out there to match the Regal's blend of FWD, sportyish pretensions, midsize space, and handsome looks. I tip my hat to GM, this is a legitimately good car, and I hope they make a performance version.
@Braff: From all knowledge of other audi products, not specifically the new s4...
No. Not the same system. Audi generally uses TorSen AWD system, which apparently has been vectoring all along. The exceptions to the audi=torsen rule are the A3 and TT.
Haldex (which is the system in this opel, and also in my new audi A3) is used mainly on vehicles with transversely mounted engines, platforms originally intended for FWD.
Sidenote: most people say that TorSen is superior. I can't say yet as I have only had my car for 1 month, and no snow yet :) Also, Bugatti Veyron supposedly uses a Haldex system.
@Braff/Jafoca: Sort of/not really. This is a transverse-mounted, FWD car with a power-takeoff unit sending power through a clutchpack between the front and rear axles combined with a clutchpack-operated lockable rear diff, as opposed to the Audi which has a true torsen center differential with a rear-biased torque split on dry pavement, coupled with two clutchpacks on the rear half-shafts for torque vectoring.
The "vectoring" of the haldex rear diff is a bit misleading (just like all the other marketing BS from haldex). It's a good system, but it's basically just a rear diff that can lock up. It has a single clutchpack on the rear diff that can lock the two halfshafts together, as opposed to something like the (heavier, more expensive, more complicated) tw0-clutchpack system used on the Audi and some (not all) of Acura's SH-AWD systems.
The Audi uses a system with a clutchpack on each of the rear half-shafts, which lets you disengage one of the halfshafts progressively. Because of the way differentials work, this effectively "vectors" torque to the other wheel.
The Haldex system progressively locks the rear axle, which prevents the inside wheel from spinning, but it doesn't technically vector torque to the outside wheel. Any situation where one rear wheel has a different torque split than the other would require one to have more traction than the other, and indeed, Haldex's examples show one wheel on ice, which is intentionally misleading, IMO.
That said, this system is better than having an open rear diff, and is cheaper and more compact than a system with a true center diff and two rear-axle clutchpacks.
Change the wheels, black out the brake intakes and exhaust surrounds, de-chrome the grille and trunk, and do something with the tails (tint?). It's a nice foundation, but I'm just not loving most of the finishing visual touches.
And 4,000# for a sedan this size with manual transmission? That's just incredible.
This is about as deserving of the GNX mantle as I am of valedictorian. I'm not bothered by the AWD 4-door bit, but it won't embarrass Corvettes. I'd accept the Grand National badge though. Or, really, however I can get it - throw Daewoo badges on, and I'd still drive the crap out of it.
But still, clocking in at a small dog shy of 2 tons is disturbing.
This seriously chaps my nuts in ways that Gold Bond medicated powder can't even fix.
I mean, really? We have put up with shitty Buick after shitty Buick since the conception of the Grand National/GNX. What do we get for our years of pain and suffering? Slapped in the face, with a mushroom stamp.
Dear, Buick. I hate you. Signed with blood and hate, Duke Sound Vtechen of Sleepenburg
@Duke engineerd von Prandtl: Audi would be shooting itself in the foot when the picture implies that Audi needs three of its most powerful race cars to take on a GM subbrand favored by octogenarians.
And the guy next to me on the computer appears to be rapping out loud.
11/23/09
I don't think that GS should be put on it either. Granted I thought the old GS was a cool contender with the supercharged 3.8... but why associate it with something that it isn't.
Give it a unique name...
11/23/09
Grand National, though...I'm good with this.
Personally, I want this package in an automatic, and I'm not anti-Jalop, or anti-manual, just can't do it, long-term, any more.
Caution, the really fun hobbies can kill you...if you're doin' them right.
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No. Not the same system. Audi generally uses TorSen AWD system, which apparently has been vectoring all along. The exceptions to the audi=torsen rule are the A3 and TT.
Haldex (which is the system in this opel, and also in my new audi A3) is used mainly on vehicles with transversely mounted engines, platforms originally intended for FWD.
Sidenote: most people say that TorSen is superior. I can't say yet as I have only had my car for 1 month, and no snow yet :) Also, Bugatti Veyron supposedly uses a Haldex system.
11/23/09
The "vectoring" of the haldex rear diff is a bit misleading (just like all the other marketing BS from haldex). It's a good system, but it's basically just a rear diff that can lock up. It has a single clutchpack on the rear diff that can lock the two halfshafts together, as opposed to something like the (heavier, more expensive, more complicated) tw0-clutchpack system used on the Audi and some (not all) of Acura's SH-AWD systems.
The Audi uses a system with a clutchpack on each of the rear half-shafts, which lets you disengage one of the halfshafts progressively. Because of the way differentials work, this effectively "vectors" torque to the other wheel.
The Haldex system progressively locks the rear axle, which prevents the inside wheel from spinning, but it doesn't technically vector torque to the outside wheel. Any situation where one rear wheel has a different torque split than the other would require one to have more traction than the other, and indeed, Haldex's examples show one wheel on ice, which is intentionally misleading, IMO.
That said, this system is better than having an open rear diff, and is cheaper and more compact than a system with a true center diff and two rear-axle clutchpacks.
11/23/09
#tips
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Yeah, you know me.
11/23/09
And 4,000# for a sedan this size with manual transmission? That's just incredible.
I'm still down with OPC, just saying.
11/23/09
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But still, clocking in at a small dog shy of 2 tons is disturbing.
11/23/09
04/15/09
04/15/09
I'd buy a Buick. They seem to be on the money lately.
If you don't believe me....um.....I'll get wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx to hold you down.
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I mean, really? We have put up with shitty Buick after shitty Buick since the conception of the Grand National/GNX. What do we get for our years of pain and suffering? Slapped in the face, with a mushroom stamp.
Dear, Buick.
I hate you.
Signed with blood and hate, Duke Sound Vtechen of Sleepenburg
04/15/09
04/15/09
Seriously though, you gotta love some Gold Bond on the 'ol coin purse. Otherwise I totally agree.
04/15/09
04/15/09
Just remember guys, stay away from the Icy Hot.
04/15/09
There's something else you have to stay away from.
I forgot what it is called, but you can bet your ass I'll recognize the bottle.
04/15/09
This it?
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04/15/09
Bonnaroo learned me that good.
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04/15/09
Winston Churchill, bring it on.
Burger King, bring it on.
Pregnant teens, bring it on.
And this picture would win.
04/15/09
/VAG owner humor
04/15/09
Nice to have you here today. My boss is wondering why I keep cracking up randomly.
04/15/09
I echo the sentiments below. It is nice to see you back.
04/15/09
04/15/09
And the guy next to me on the computer appears to be rapping out loud.