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    STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200

    Obama Unveils New Fuel Economy Rules

    Jimmie Johnson Visits White House, Gives President Tips On Turning Nation Left

    Steve Rattner Resigning As "Car Czar" To Spend More Time With His Money

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    I'm so going to buy a Silverado just to piss my neighbor off.
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    Image of RachelSklar RachelSklar
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    See, THIS is why I don't drive!
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    I think the only reason GM's able to start paying back the loans so quickly is simply they borrowed more than they needed to. Probably so they could start paying it back sooner, as a PR move. Like you said, GM's PR department isn't stupid, but they think the rest of us are.
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    Image of HurtsSoGood HurtsSoGood
    11/19/09

    @mechimike: So was GM in danger or not? If they didn't need the money, then they were blowing smoke up our asses. Which is it?
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/19/09

    @HurtsSoGood: They needed money AND they were blowing smoke up our asses.

    Kind of like when you couldn't make rent right after you finished college, and scared your parents into lending you $1,500. But you didn't tell them that you spent $400 of this on concert tickets and beer, and when you paid them back $200 early it was just so that they'd forget about the remainder.
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/20/09

    @Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est: There's a man who gets it.

    #tips
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    Politics is like a piss poor Magic show, not only is the show bullshit, even the slight of hand by both sides use is complete bullshit.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    Incorrect. The cars are commodities, of which none are sold for less than the price of materials, therefore any monetary loss is associated with labor, manufacturing overhead, and administrative cost.

    Let's assume that the profit on the materials can outpace the facility overhead cost, and break it down to where all losses are associated with personnel, both labor and administration.

    Let us furthermore assume that the taxpayer funded loan was a gift, and that none of it will come back.

    Then, let us assume that the funds remained within North America.

    With approximately 112,000 employees in North America, 8.6 billion dollars works out to $76,785 per worker that the taxpayers have spent.

    Fire them all, and give me back my money. All $30 of it ($8.6 billion divided by the current US population of 300 million is only $28.67; The $1.33 is interest)
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    Image of oddfish oddfish
    11/19/09

    @smalleyxb122: 30 bucks is two beers and a lap dance. I'm with you.
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    Image of Corvette_Thunder_Wheres my trophy for participating in Jalopnik? Corvette_Thunder_Wheres my trophy for participating in Jalopnik?
    11/19/09

    @oddfish: What expensive clubs do you frequent!?
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    Quick. Everyone buy an Aveo just to spite the taxbuyer. "Look at this! Look at it! Yeah, that's right! This pile of misery cost you 12 Grover Clevelands!"

    Also, faring, not fairing.
    /grammarian
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    Compared to how much each Tesla will cost us, this is a bargain.
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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    Another brilliant treatise from our friends at the Facepalm von Mises Institute.
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    No wonder the CTS-V is such a performance bargain(!)

    Hopefully, GM will learn the lesson and not stagnate. Next time, the taxpayers won't be so willing to hand over billions on a silver platter.

    But then again, this isn't exactly the first time, either. Do we, as a species, ever learn?
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    Edited by Mobius at 11/19/09 10:51 AM Mobius was starred Mobius was unstarred
    Image of krische krische
    11/19/09

    @Mobius: A person learns, people do not.
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    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    11/19/09

    In reply to STUDY: Each New GM Vehicle Costs Taxpayers $12,200
    Why the hell can't we outsource these morons? I want to see these studies coming from Indochina pronto. In mangled English of course. Like the old motherboard manuals back in the day.
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    Image of WarShrike WarShrike
    11/19/09

    @mytdawg: You mean they aren't like that still?
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    11/19/09

    @WarShrike: You mean MBs have manuals? I just go to Tom's or anandtech for the info.
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    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    11/19/09

    @AmishJohn: @WarShrike:

    I quit building when it became more expensive to build one than to just buy a workstation off eBay.
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    Image of don_mynack don_mynack
    11/19/09

    @mytdawg: About the Author
    Thomas D. Hopkins is Professor of Economics at Rochester Institute of Technology. He served as Dean of the College of Business 1998-2005 and as President, U.S. Business School in Prague, Czech Republic, an RIT MBA program where he taught 1992-98. He was the Arthur J. Gosnell Professor of Economics in RIT's College of Liberal Arts, 1988-98. Hopkins held senior management positions in two White House agencies during the Ford, Carter and Reagan Administrations; in 1979 President Carter appointed him a charter member of the federal government's Senior Executive Service. In the early 1980s, he served as Deputy Administrator, Office of Information & Regulatory Affairs, in the Office of Management & Budget. His research on business burdens of government regulation has been sponsored by the Organization for Economic Cooperation & Development (OECD) in Paris and the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) in Washington. He has testified on regulatory policy issues before committees of the U.S. Senate and House, and Canada's House of Commons. He co-authored a 2001 SBA report, "The Impact of Regulatory Costs on Small Firms," as well as National Research Council reports on marine transportation, the Exxon Valdez oil spill, and trucking/rail/barge transportation. He previously was on the faculty of American University, University of Maryland, and Bowdoin College.


    Yeah, sounds like a total moron.
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    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    11/19/09

    @don_mynack: Great. Get him to do a study on what the wars have cost us and how much was wasted and how much that has cost every taxpayer. Or the collapse of the financial institutions. Or Enron. Or all the others that have pilfered their way through the last decade at taxpayer expense. Or how much Halliburton has stolen from taxpayers. Spread that hate around a little.
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    Image of ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.
    09/15/09

    In reply to Obama Unveils New Fuel Economy Rules
    That's easy. All we have to do is double the size of a gallon.
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    FP: Your Volvo is awesome! Anyway promoted this comment ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. was starred ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. was unstarred
    Image of duurtlang duurtlang
    09/15/09

    In reply to Obama Unveils New Fuel Economy Rules
    35.5? We've almost got that already on this side of the pond. I'm quite sure it's way above 30 at this moment.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/15/09

    @duurtlang: You also have mass diesel availability, manual transmissions, and station wagons instead of Chelsea tractors.

    Britain gets two things right: car purchases (usually) and traffic lights. I love that yellow-before-green thing.
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    Edited by MushyHeirloom at 09/15/09 7:40 PM MushyHeirloom was starred MushyHeirloom was unstarred
    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    09/15/09

    In reply to Obama Unveils New Fuel Economy Rules
    You know, if we just had safety and emissions standards that matched up with the rest of civilization, this would be a nonissue.
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    Image of TTopJohn TTopJohn
    09/15/09

    In reply to Obama Unveils New Fuel Economy Rules
    Here's hoping for some loopholes big enough to drive a Suburban through. Or at least a Camaro SS...
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    09/15/09

    @TTopJohn: Nope, they're supposed to close the SUV loophole.
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    09/15/09

    In reply to Obama Unveils New Fuel Economy Rules
    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
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