Don't forget the GT3 RS only comes with a six-speed manual (as do the ZR-1 and Viper ACR). If Porsche were to equip a GT3 RS with their new PDK system, it would probably be a lot closer to the GT-R's time, considering that it shaved 8 seconds off a 2009 Carrera S' Nordschleife time vs. a manually-equipped one.
@uncleben: Yes, you are not educated about the car and its capabilities. Like most people you know very little about the GT-R, but have a lot to say about it. Get educated before opening your mouth. #ringwars
@avanti5010: Slow down champ. Where is all this unwarranted hostilities coming from? I merely made a statement based on a observation and said that I do need to educate myself about this car. I never tired to put the car down, but merely stated that by looking at it I do not think it was so capable.
I just hoped that someone would take their time to help me understand why the car is as good as it is. Which "Power Tryp forever" has done and you have not.
I do have one request:
Don't cluster me with the Porsche fanboys out there. The ZR1 is still faster so I am happy and I don't want to get involved in the quarrel you Nissan fans have with Porsche fans. #ringwars
@uncleben: It's the classic tale of a car that is magnificent in design, yet poorly executed to save a buck. The GT-R design was a good one, but in order to cut costs and be cheaper than the rest, they appear to have used cheaper materials. This would refer not only to the grenaded transmission joke (cause nothing says a cheap car like buying a new $20k tranny), but to the general expense of maintenance (I'm looking at you $2000 tranny fluid every 18k miles). Then there are non-Jalop complaints like Evo's test where the demo car they had already had cracking brake disks.
This car has the same components you will find in a Porsche cup car (their actual race cars) sans the sequential six and full cage. So you can be assured it will run around the 'ring all day (as it does at the Nurburgring 24 and countless other endurance races), whereas the GTR race car is completely different from the street car (it doesn't even have the same kind of engine).
Then there is the whole issue of a lack of third party verification on the Nissan 'ring time. Porsche is famous for its production cars always achieving the claimed performance figures (in fact, they usually undershoot their claims). This has been verified on every last one of their cars, as they have been running the 'ring since before it was cool. This whole tiff started when Porsche walked into a random US Nissan dealership and bought a GT-R, then shipped it home to verify the time. The best they could manage was in the 7:50s. So far, no one has been able to replicate Nissan's time. Add to this that several magazines (I think Motor Trend was one) dynoed their demo car and found it had been tarted up a bit to wow the reviewers (which isn't all that uncommon). This all leads to the conclusion that the GT-R you buy will probably not be able to turn in a 'ring time of 7:26 or 7:29, but the average car owner (myself included) doesn't have the skill to max out the car anyways.
The final straw would be the warranty issue, where Nissan's clearly states that using your launch control will void the warranty as will dynoing it or taking it to a race track. Therefore, if you drive it in any way other than strictly to the letter of the law, the GT-R's data recorder will tell the Dealership next check-up, and ipso facto, warranty retracto. Contrast this to Porsche, which offers trackday and driver's ed (the race track kind, not the passenger brake kind) courses from the dealership, and will warrant it absolutely so long as you don't try to upgrade parts (although who knows how long that will last once VW has had their way).
The end result is a Porsche may be expensive, but it's not just a mark-up. You get what you pay for, and GT-R owners paid for a house on sand.
Oh, and do group me in with the Porsche fanboys: there is no substitute.#ringwars
I'd love it if this mule actually had the profile of what will become the real SVX-redux, but I'm probably a bit optimistic. It seems lumpy and odd, but that's what makes a Subaru a Subaru, traditionally. Lumpy and odd. #subarucoupe
Fast driving, done well, can look very slow and boring. Most buyers will appreciate that all the scary tendencies have been dialed out by higher performance tests than these will ever see on public roads in civilian hands.
But I did notice a couple of squirelly moments. Without a pro driver, that could easily turn into a lurid spin or crash. Still a little work to do... #subarucoupe
Rosemeyer was a man among men, and Nuvolari gets my vote as the greatest racing driver of all time. Those guys competed at a time when motor racing was a death sport. Anything that commemorates their heroic skill and bravery is all good in my book, esp. if it tastes good.
Pete, I think you should not only touch it, you should melt it and pour it over your naked body, if only to infuse yourself with the chocolatey greatness of Herr Rosemeyer.
@scroggzilla raids again: From everything I've heard, it took balls of steel to drive those Auto Unions hard - overpowered, skinny tires, primitive suspensions, and snap oversteer when you least expect it. These cars could kill you if you so much as looked at them wrong. Rosemeyer found out the hard way.
Given the reports about how wonderful the standard Evora is to drive, there isn't much cause for bitching about its porkiness. I'll bet most of the people who say they wouldn't buy the fat Evora would absolutely hate driving the skinny rocket described above. Me, I'd piss myself if I got the chance to drive either.
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oh wait. #ringwars
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@Steve_in_NC: Hey you guys, remember not to dragon the gtr in public.
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But still that time does seem suspect.
Maybe I'm just not that educated about the car and its capabilities.
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I just hoped that someone would take their time to help me understand why the car is as good as it is. Which "Power Tryp forever" has done and you have not.
I do have one request:
Don't cluster me with the Porsche fanboys out there. The ZR1 is still faster so I am happy and I don't want to get involved in the quarrel you Nissan fans have with Porsche fans. #ringwars
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This car has the same components you will find in a Porsche cup car (their actual race cars) sans the sequential six and full cage. So you can be assured it will run around the 'ring all day (as it does at the Nurburgring 24 and countless other endurance races), whereas the GTR race car is completely different from the street car (it doesn't even have the same kind of engine).
Then there is the whole issue of a lack of third party verification on the Nissan 'ring time. Porsche is famous for its production cars always achieving the claimed performance figures (in fact, they usually undershoot their claims). This has been verified on every last one of their cars, as they have been running the 'ring since before it was cool. This whole tiff started when Porsche walked into a random US Nissan dealership and bought a GT-R, then shipped it home to verify the time. The best they could manage was in the 7:50s. So far, no one has been able to replicate Nissan's time. Add to this that several magazines (I think Motor Trend was one) dynoed their demo car and found it had been tarted up a bit to wow the reviewers (which isn't all that uncommon). This all leads to the conclusion that the GT-R you buy will probably not be able to turn in a 'ring time of 7:26 or 7:29, but the average car owner (myself included) doesn't have the skill to max out the car anyways.
The final straw would be the warranty issue, where Nissan's clearly states that using your launch control will void the warranty as will dynoing it or taking it to a race track. Therefore, if you drive it in any way other than strictly to the letter of the law, the GT-R's data recorder will tell the Dealership next check-up, and ipso facto, warranty retracto. Contrast this to Porsche, which offers trackday and driver's ed (the race track kind, not the passenger brake kind) courses from the dealership, and will warrant it absolutely so long as you don't try to upgrade parts (although who knows how long that will last once VW has had their way).
The end result is a Porsche may be expensive, but it's not just a mark-up. You get what you pay for, and GT-R owners paid for a house on sand.
Oh, and do group me in with the Porsche fanboys: there is no substitute. #ringwars
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OOH, it looks nice, unique, new, and something a bit different.
OTOH, the rear end looks super simplistic and square as the old scirocco's, and the front is just... Ach!
Impreza FT86, purely on the looks! #subarucoupe
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On the other hand, I like the idea, and hopefully with both Toyota and Subaru taking a crack at it, one of them will get it right. #subarucoupe
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NEWS FLASH: Toyota FT86 prototype spotted at local mall. Action shots of parking maneuvers at Costco captured. #subarucoupe
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But I did notice a couple of squirelly moments. Without a pro driver, that could easily turn into a lurid spin or crash. Still a little work to do... #subarucoupe
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Now, a Subaru Brat on the 'Ring... Now I'd wanna' see that. Actually, I'd wanna' ride in that. #subarucoupe
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Pete, I think you should not only touch it, you should melt it and pour it over your naked body, if only to infuse yourself with the chocolatey greatness of Herr Rosemeyer.
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