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Leeeeena the Jalopchick
10/28/09

In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
Don't forget the GT3 RS only comes with a six-speed manual (as do the ZR-1 and Viper ACR). If Porsche were to equip a GT3 RS with their new PDK system, it would probably be a lot closer to the GT-R's time, considering that it shaved 8 seconds off a 2009 Carrera S' Nordschleife time vs. a manually-equipped one.
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JoeHardrock
10/28/09

In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
Aren't we all forgetting a certain Dodge that managed to run the 'Ring faster than all the others?
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PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
10/28/09

In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
Nice Porsche, whats it's ring ti...
oh wait. #ringwars
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Steve_in_NC
10/28/09

In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
Remember you can run that 7.33 consistency without failure, insane service costs and loss of warranty coverage. #ringwars
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guycharlesvalois
10/28/09

@Steve_in_NC: get a life.
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beercheck
10/28/09

@guycharlesvalois: Dammit. I promoted you before seeing this comment. #ringwars
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Steve_in_NC
10/28/09

@Steve_in_NC: Hey you guys, remember not to dragon the gtr in public.
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uncleben
10/28/09

In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
I really don't know how Godzilla is capable of doing it. It is a heavy underpowered car. Amy must really be capable.

But still that time does seem suspect.
Maybe I'm just not that educated about the car and its capabilities.
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avanti5010
10/28/09

@uncleben: Yes, you are not educated about the car and its capabilities. Like most people you know very little about the GT-R, but have a lot to say about it. Get educated before opening your mouth. #ringwars
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uncleben
10/28/09

@avanti5010: Slow down champ. Where is all this unwarranted hostilities coming from? I merely made a statement based on a observation and said that I do need to educate myself about this car. I never tired to put the car down, but merely stated that by looking at it I do not think it was so capable.

I just hoped that someone would take their time to help me understand why the car is as good as it is. Which "Power Tryp forever" has done and you have not.

I do have one request:
Don't cluster me with the Porsche fanboys out there. The ZR1 is still faster so I am happy and I don't want to get involved in the quarrel you Nissan fans have with Porsche fans. #ringwars
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dragon951
10/28/09

@uncleben: It's the classic tale of a car that is magnificent in design, yet poorly executed to save a buck. The GT-R design was a good one, but in order to cut costs and be cheaper than the rest, they appear to have used cheaper materials. This would refer not only to the grenaded transmission joke (cause nothing says a cheap car like buying a new $20k tranny), but to the general expense of maintenance (I'm looking at you $2000 tranny fluid every 18k miles). Then there are non-Jalop complaints like Evo's test where the demo car they had already had cracking brake disks.

This car has the same components you will find in a Porsche cup car (their actual race cars) sans the sequential six and full cage. So you can be assured it will run around the 'ring all day (as it does at the Nurburgring 24 and countless other endurance races), whereas the GTR race car is completely different from the street car (it doesn't even have the same kind of engine).

Then there is the whole issue of a lack of third party verification on the Nissan 'ring time. Porsche is famous for its production cars always achieving the claimed performance figures (in fact, they usually undershoot their claims). This has been verified on every last one of their cars, as they have been running the 'ring since before it was cool. This whole tiff started when Porsche walked into a random US Nissan dealership and bought a GT-R, then shipped it home to verify the time. The best they could manage was in the 7:50s. So far, no one has been able to replicate Nissan's time. Add to this that several magazines (I think Motor Trend was one) dynoed their demo car and found it had been tarted up a bit to wow the reviewers (which isn't all that uncommon). This all leads to the conclusion that the GT-R you buy will probably not be able to turn in a 'ring time of 7:26 or 7:29, but the average car owner (myself included) doesn't have the skill to max out the car anyways.

The final straw would be the warranty issue, where Nissan's clearly states that using your launch control will void the warranty as will dynoing it or taking it to a race track. Therefore, if you drive it in any way other than strictly to the letter of the law, the GT-R's data recorder will tell the Dealership next check-up, and ipso facto, warranty retracto. Contrast this to Porsche, which offers trackday and driver's ed (the race track kind, not the passenger brake kind) courses from the dealership, and will warrant it absolutely so long as you don't try to upgrade parts (although who knows how long that will last once VW has had their way).

The end result is a Porsche may be expensive, but it's not just a mark-up. You get what you pay for, and GT-R owners paid for a house on sand.

Oh, and do group me in with the Porsche fanboys: there is no substitute. #ringwars
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Leeeeena the Jalopchick
10/28/09

@dragon951: I am so glad someone promoted your comment. Thank you for being level-headed and reasonable in this thread! #ringwars
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Xelmon
10/18/09

In reply to 2011 Subaru Coupe Nürburgring Action Captured On Video!
I don't know what to think of it...

OOH, it looks nice, unique, new, and something a bit different.

OTOH, the rear end looks super simplistic and square as the old scirocco's, and the front is just... Ach!

Impreza FT86, purely on the looks! #subarucoupe
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Maymar
10/18/09

In reply to 2011 Subaru Coupe Nürburgring Action Captured On Video!
So, there's already a club devoted to the FT86? That's like electing a campaign manager for the 2064 presidential race.

On the other hand, I like the idea, and hopefully with both Toyota and Subaru taking a crack at it, one of them will get it right. #subarucoupe
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SubieBlast
10/18/09

In reply to 2011 Subaru Coupe Nürburgring Action Captured On Video!
you won't see the Toyota version doing Ring laps. #subarucoupe
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YankBoffin
10/19/09

@edreyes: Interesting observation. I guess it shows where their heart is.

NEWS FLASH: Toyota FT86 prototype spotted at local mall. Action shots of parking maneuvers at Costco captured. #subarucoupe
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Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
10/18/09

In reply to 2011 Subaru Coupe Nürburgring Action Captured On Video!
I'd love it if this mule actually had the profile of what will become the real SVX-redux, but I'm probably a bit optimistic. It seems lumpy and odd, but that's what makes a Subaru a Subaru, traditionally. Lumpy and odd. #subarucoupe
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
10/18/09

In reply to 2011 Subaru Coupe Nürburgring Action Captured On Video!
Fast driving, done well, can look very slow and boring. Most buyers will appreciate that all the scary tendencies have been dialed out by higher performance tests than these will ever see on public roads in civilian hands.

But I did notice a couple of squirelly moments. Without a pro driver, that could easily turn into a lurid spin or crash. Still a little work to do... #subarucoupe
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Turboner
10/18/09

@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: That mule also had some pretty skinnyish rubber for that kind of driving. Color me impressed already. #subarucoupe
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Ford Tempo Fanatic
10/18/09

In reply to 2011 Subaru Coupe Nürburgring Action Captured On Video!
Is it just me, or are all these Nurburgring videos/pictures/whatever really boring?

Now, a Subaru Brat on the 'Ring... Now I'd wanna' see that. Actually, I'd wanna' ride in that. #subarucoupe
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Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
10/18/09

@Ford Tempo Fanatic: In the back seat, I presume. #subarucoupe
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Ford Tempo Fanatic
10/18/09

@Paul Y. don't drive too fast.: Of course! #subarucoupe
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Uncle Bo
10/06/09

In reply to Bernd Rosemeyer, Now In Chocolate Form
Rosemeyer was a man among men, and Nuvolari gets my vote as the greatest racing driver of all time. Those guys competed at a time when motor racing was a death sport. Anything that commemorates their heroic skill and bravery is all good in my book, esp. if it tastes good.

Pete, I think you should not only touch it, you should melt it and pour it over your naked body, if only to infuse yourself with the chocolatey greatness of Herr Rosemeyer.
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scroggzilla raids again
10/06/09

In reply to Bernd Rosemeyer, Now In Chocolate Form
Herr Rosemeyer..during the '36 German Hillclimb Championship
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scroggzilla raids again
10/06/09

@scroggzilla raids again: Winning the 37 British Grand Prix at Donnington Park
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scroggzilla raids again
10/06/09

@scroggzilla raids again: and the most Jalopnik Rosemeyer photo ever...Bernd does a burnout in a Auto Union Type C
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tonyola
10/06/09

@scroggzilla raids again: From everything I've heard, it took balls of steel to drive those Auto Unions hard - overpowered, skinny tires, primitive suspensions, and snap oversteer when you least expect it. These cars could kill you if you so much as looked at them wrong. Rosemeyer found out the hard way.
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Joshuman
10/06/09

@scroggzilla raids again: That is a great photo. Any chance you know where a high-res version lives?
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scroggzilla raids again
10/06/09

@Joshman Junção: Didn't know which photo you wanted, so here's links to all of them. Enjoy!
rosemeyer hillclimb
[www.seriouswheels.com]
rosemeyer donnington
[www.seriouswheels.com]
rosemeyer burnout
[img.index.hu]
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Six Flags Over Tomsk
10/06/09

@scroggzilla raids again: Hello, new desktop wallpaper!
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skaycog was here
10/06/09

In reply to Bernd Rosemeyer, Now In Chocolate Form
Sweet.
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superbadd75, now I remember why I left...
10/06/09

@skaycog: I don't know, Bernd chocolate doesn't sound very good to me.
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skaycog was here
10/06/09

@superbadd75, with electrolytes!: I don't think I've ever had any bad chocolate.
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Number_Six
09/11/09

In reply to Lotus Evora Type 124 Endurance Racer To Debut At Nurburgring
Given the reports about how wonderful the standard Evora is to drive, there isn't much cause for bitching about its porkiness. I'll bet most of the people who say they wouldn't buy the fat Evora would absolutely hate driving the skinny rocket described above. Me, I'd piss myself if I got the chance to drive either.
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