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philibuster
08/17/09

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Good. That guy was annoying
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55Hardtop
08/17/09

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Now here's the next question: Why are they moving production to Canada and back to Japanese plants? Hmm...

Wouldn't have anything to do with California's ridiculous labor costs?
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solracer
08/17/09

@55Hardtop: I suspect it probably has more to do with America's ridiculous health care costs. When it is $1300 cheaper per car to build a car in Canada than the US because of Canada's public health care it's surprising that all of our auto plants haven't moved there.
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econobiker
08/17/09

@55Hardtop: No, not just labor but the ridiculous cost of ~everything~ in California.

As Nissan why they moved the NA HQ to TN. As the guy who bought the defunct Indian Motorcycle Company why he moved it to NC.
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HDC
08/17/09

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Where's Tesla? Here's a factory ready for the taking. Since their San Jose dreams fell apart, this looks like a nice place to set up shop.
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Al Navarro
08/17/09

@HDC:
[OMBUDSMAN'S NOTE: This was mentioned in one of the first comments in this thread. Read other comments before commenting, please.]
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Tony C
08/17/09

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Sure they'll be back, only without the burden of the UAW.
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HDC
08/17/09

@Tony C: Actually UAW is represented at the NUMMI plant.
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HammSammich
08/17/09

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GM: Look, it was fun while it lasted, but I just don't see a future for us. I need to take time for myself and focus on getting my life back on track.

Toyota: But what about the factory we built together.

GM: It's time to move on. But don't worry, we can tell our friends it was mutual.
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2 months later...

Toyota: Yeah, so I just told GM, that we can be friends, but I just don't think it's working out anymore. GM changed. It went through some sort of mid-life crisis, spent a lot of time getting in shape, and I could barely recognize it anymore. So, I came up here to Canada to start over. I'm not really ready to look for new partners just yet, but I do find Ford pretty attractive.
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DoctorNine
08/17/09

@HammSammich's Trumpet topped out at 117mph...:
Looks suspiciously like a COTD to me...
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FTGDWolverineEdition'09
08/17/09

@HammSammich's Trumpet topped out at 117mph...: Nice. So basically Toyota got LJBFd (Let's just be friends) by GM huh?
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
08/17/09

@FTGDMissesTheCruise: More like Toyota called time on it, after trying to stick it out all the way through counseling. GM went on a twenty year bender, then lost the house trying to score one last fix. Toyota's got her pride, y'know.
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FTGDWolverineEdition'09
08/17/09

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No loss. The only Corolla which was ever slightly interesting was this.
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layabout
08/17/09

@FTGDMissesTheCruise: If the fun folks at Toyota had a pulse they would have made a 4wd turbo'd road going version for the public to buy, but they didn't have the balls.........shame!
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pauljones
08/17/09

@FTGDMissesTheCruise: It's not the loss of the car in that area that is the problem. It's the loss of business that will likely never return to California.

As much as I love my home state, we are in one hell of a mess right now, and everyone at Sacramento is so damned concerned with their own personal interests that I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

They spend taxpayer money on big, fancy meals for them and their buddies, $60k cars to drive around, etc. Then, when they decide they need more, they raise taxes, which were already through the roof to begin with.

God knows what the hell it is that they are doing with that money, though, as our education system is getting crappier, are roads still suck, and our deficit, along with unemployment, continues to rise steadily.

While the end of the NUMMI plant is not directly related to California's problems, and is a comparatively small thorn compared to all the other shit that has happened here in the past 15 years, it certainly has the potential to be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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FTGDWolverineEdition'09
08/17/09

@pauljones: Sounds remarkably like MI's problems 15 Years ago. Almost like a Deja Vu!

Hopefully you guys get a better set of administrators before you slip deeper into similar shit. Good thing CA has a more diversified Mfg/Service industry base unlike MI.
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DoctorNine
08/17/09

@FTGDMissesTheCruise: One of the problems with generally liberal policies at the state level, is that people vote based on their emotional perception of what 'ought' to be done, instead of what is fiscally possible, and only THEN do they try to figure out how to pay for it. This leads to unsustainable deficits, and a collapse of government services and infrastructure when the limits of taxation are reached, and businesses exit the state.

Of course, the current administration in Washington doesn't do things that way...

Wait a minute.
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LionZoo
08/17/09

@pauljones: Honestly a lot of California's problems is simply the way the constitution is structured. In the beginning propositions were used only as a way of having citizen power being a check on the government, but as time progressed this became abused. Once a spending program is voted in as a proposition, it becomes very hard to contain and the government is almost powerless to negate it.

For example, if you vote on a bill that says "2% of the state budget must be spent on anti-automotive pollution measures" then that will remain on the books even if say cars have completely disappeared, unless the proposition is revealed. However, it's very hard to reveal propositions; who's going to vote against say, funding for schools? Hence we have the current situation where something like 70% of the state budget is determined by propositions and cannot be touched by the government. It doesn't matter how much you cut out of the other 30%, if you're 40% over budget you're going to be over budget no matter what. And no, we can't really blame the state government for this problem; it was created mostly by special interest groups.

California, for all it's wonderful advantages, and there are many, is a study of people power gone wrong. The state constitution needs to be rewritten.
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HDC
08/17/09

@LionZoo: Indeed. The time for a constitutional convention is waaaay over due. We've got too much of the governing happening at the witless ballot box and horrible system of districting that causes much of the gridlock in Sacto. We need a serious do over.
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LionZoo
08/17/09

@HDC: Agreed. The California governing system is more out of date than a late 70s British sports car.
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Flathead Smith
08/17/09

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"Gov. Schwarzenegger claims they'll be back."

With the regulatory and anti-business attitude of California, any company that would move a business back to the Golden State would be extremely wasteful and foolish, when there are so many other states with much healthier business friendly regulations. Once a business throws off the burdensome yoke that is California, it doesn’t go back, the gold has been gone for a while now.
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pauljones
08/17/09

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And with that, California may just have edged out Michigan in terms of unemployment.
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maximum-sienna
08/17/09

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And much like the terminator, the Corollas need to be placed in a large hydraulic crusher with large bolts of lightning ensuring they will never be driveable again.
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knyghtryda
08/17/09

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thats really too bad about NUMMI... I get the feeling this is going mess with the housing market even more in the area.
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HDC
08/17/09

@knyghtryda: Actually, it may help by forcing people to leave the area. Fremont is smack dab in the middle of Silicon Valley and the SF Bay area. We need more houses, have for years. If anything goes foreclosure as a result of the jobs lost here, it'll quickly get snapped back up, assuming the banks don't keep them off the market. Besides the folks working at NUMMI have seen the writing on the wall for months now. One would hope -HOPE- that they've been trying to get prepared.
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
08/17/09

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Wow, that's a tough one for Fremont. Maybe Tesla could use a little more room for their production?
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lilwillie
08/17/09

@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet:

Pipe dreams and Bullshit doesn't need anything bigger than a cubicle so I'm sure they will pass on that one.
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TurboBrick [LIGIER]
08/17/09

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My local news ran a story few weeks ago about Toyota considering moving the Corolla manufacturing line from NUMMI to the San Antonio plant.
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FTGDWolverineEdition'09
08/17/09

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Blame Canada!! Maybe I should start looking for jobs there. It's after all just a half hour commute from across the river.
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layabout
08/17/09

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I just find it funny that some countries still get Corolla's,who the hell wants one?????
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HurtsSoGood
08/17/09

@layabout SAVE THE JALOP 9 !: Lots of people. The Corolla is the world's best-selling car.
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layabout
08/17/09

@HurtsSoGood: Well they don't sell them in the U.K. & most European countries. It's only the worlds best selling car as they kept the name for so many years,it's been out sold in Europe for a long time & even its replacement the Auris doesn't sell well compared to rivals
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cabjf
08/17/09

@layabout SAVE THE JALOP 9 !: In Europe there is plenty of competition for the compact segment. In the US during the 1990's and most of the 2000's, it was pretty much either a Honda Civic or a Toyota Corolla if you wanted anything even halfway reliable. Last year the Corolla was the fifth best selling vehicle in the US, behind only the Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado, Toyota Camry, and Honda Accord. It was immediately followed by the Honda Civic, the only other compact on the top ten.
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MushyHeirloom
08/17/09

@cabjf: Correct. The UK gets far better compact options. What do we have that we can consider with a straight face? Mazda3, Civic... Golf.
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OldeEnglishD
07/23/09

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Did they start with, "Listen, it's not you, it's me."? That seems to work well.
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