Problem with this law is that it does not take into account any cultural or historical significance of the said cars. Or, in a word, their awesomeness. I think the owners should be given some time to make their cars US-legal, and if they still fail, then they could do the seizure part.
these are not "grey market" cars.
Grey market cars are vehicles that have been converted to US spec by a US Registered Importer that is not the original manufacturer and have NHTSA, DOT and EPA certification.
These are BLACK MARKET cars.
The Smart cars that went through G&K Auto in California before Smart officially distributed them through Penske were all GREY MARKET vehicles, all legally imported and converted.
G&K also used to convert the MB G-Wagon in Taos and charged $140K for them after conversion. These were also GREY MARKET vehicles.
If this stuff pisses you all off so much, stop ignorantly raging about it, and beg your congressman to get the US to join this: [en.wikipedia.org]
That means basically that if it's good enough for Japan or Europe, it's good enough for us.
Not only could you have your Skylines, but the Fiesta and Cruze would probably already be on sale here. At this point, the only parties really helped by the status quo are companies like Mercedes and BMW. (Fewer options for those who could afford to get any car they want mean more sales for them.)
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I highly dislike Japanese cars, and especially 'tuner' cars. But I highly disagree with this bs. If people build and license a replica Cobra in their garage made with hand tools, these nissans should be allowed to exist here. Hopefully they can tell the man they're track cars and just pull the plates.
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Please focus on preventing explosives, chemical agents, and thermonuclear devices from entering our country instead of wasting time on cars that most likely emit less pollution than at least half of the cars currently on the road.
Love,
A Concerned Taxpayer Who Is Paying Your Fucking Salary
Ya there are so many RHD JDM vehicles in Alberta that when I see a 300ZX twin turbo that is LHD I think...rare. I live in a mountain town and there are a ton of 4WD diesel Mitsu Delcia's, Surfs (4 runners), Nissan Patrols etc not to mention a couple GTR's, an RX7, 180SX, couple 300ZX's. and even a Toyota Carig 4WD, this is in a population of 12,000! "I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so..."
My feeling is that the laws should be setup such that the big auto brands should have to meet all the local standards. But you should be able to import and license any damn car you please so long as it meets a few basic standards (emissions, lighting, noise, etc.) and beyond that, you just sign a waiver releasing the local/state/fed government and the original manufacturer of the vehicle from any liability should you meet your maker in it...
Of course I wouldn't argue with a mountain of paperwork and extra one time taxes, that is just a matter of course, but it SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT LEGALLY, without having to completely tear down the car and rebuild to meet a bazillion little detail requirements.
You know lawyers are in the habit of sending out scary letters that sound like it's the end of the story. It's not, get a lawyer and they will fire back a letter... Seizure is not guaranteed, that is up to a judge to decide. I would sure as hell fight this.
The answer to the question of this action's legitimacy can be boiled with the answer to one question.
Were the owners of those cars hurting anyone?
This is the same govenrment that won't allow Ford to bring the fiesta Diesel or Chrysler the PT Cruiser Diesel into this country. currently existing vehicles made by US companies that get over 50MPG highway and over 35mpg city.
@zeeboid: well, since the EPA regulations are aimed at educing emissions/smog which are breathed in, and since the DOT/NHTSA regulations are aimed at making sure road-going vehicles are safe, i would say that systematically and purposely avoiding the EPA and DOT/NHTSA regulations would plausibly fall under the "yes" answer.
you can't judge by outcome, or necessarily by intent. if that was the case, then i could fire off 12 rounds in the mall and could argue that i should be left alone because i didn't hit anyone. should drunk driving be wiped off the legal landscape, since as long as they don't get in a accident they aren't hurting anyone? laws are made, laws are enforced, laws are adjusted
@zeeboid: you know stairs are regulated for safety via building codes just like cars are regulated for safety via NHTSA? and that if you build stairs that fall outside of the code they either have to fixed or removed?
right? you know that right? you weren't just making my point for me out of ignorance, spouting off something that seemed like it made sense without thinking it through, right? or were you?
naw, you couldn't be. you must be agreeing with me, or else you wouldn't have made that point.
@zeeboid: Wouldn't stairs that fall outside of the prescribed regulations be "illegal", as you suggest? Just as these cars are "illegal", because they don't comply with their required regulations? Nice try yourself.
@Deartháir II: The Return: @Merc63: " Wouldn't stairs that fall outside of the prescribed regulations be "illegal", as you suggest?"
and perhaps the Government has better things to worry about then what type of stairs I want to build in my own house or what type of car I Choose to buy.
But if your happy with letting them control every component of your life, fantastic for you.
Becides, there are many "stairs" that fall outside of the prescribed regulations. just because a new law comes into play doesn't mean all the old stairs have to get re-made.
fail.
All I am trying to say, is perhaps the government should be spending their time doing something much much much better then taking something someone purchased away from them.
@Merc63: Nicely done. I would submit that if they are worried about regulations over things americans actually want to own, they are are hampering our freedoms.
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Thomas O'Brien would really upset Brian O'Connor.
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Grey market cars are vehicles that have been converted to US spec by a US Registered Importer that is not the original manufacturer and have NHTSA, DOT and EPA certification.
These are BLACK MARKET cars.
The Smart cars that went through G&K Auto in California before Smart officially distributed them through Penske were all GREY MARKET vehicles, all legally imported and converted.
G&K also used to convert the MB G-Wagon in Taos and charged $140K for them after conversion. These were also GREY MARKET vehicles.
10/01/09
[en.wikipedia.org]
That means basically that if it's good enough for Japan or Europe, it's good enough for us.
Not only could you have your Skylines, but the Fiesta and Cruze would probably already be on sale here. At this point, the only parties really helped by the status quo are companies like Mercedes and BMW. (Fewer options for those who could afford to get any car they want mean more sales for them.)
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If it was for me instead of doing the "smog check", I will ban vehicles that get a positive result on the "smug check"
Yes, Remove all those Smug Pruises
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my ass, the smug check or EPA ?? :p
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Anything over 15 years old can be legally imported... see for yourself:
[www.riv.ca]
Along with Health Care and mortgage regulations, this is another idea that the Americans should steal from Canadians.
And as a side note... Canadians should copy what the US does with securities regulation/enforcement.
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Please focus on preventing explosives, chemical agents, and thermonuclear devices from entering our country instead of wasting time on cars that most likely emit less pollution than at least half of the cars currently on the road.
Love,
A Concerned Taxpayer Who Is Paying Your Fucking Salary
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Of course I wouldn't argue with a mountain of paperwork and extra one time taxes, that is just a matter of course, but it SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT LEGALLY, without having to completely tear down the car and rebuild to meet a bazillion little detail requirements.
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Were the owners of those cars hurting anyone?
This is the same govenrment that won't allow Ford to bring the fiesta Diesel or Chrysler the PT Cruiser Diesel into this country. currently existing vehicles made by US companies that get over 50MPG highway and over 35mpg city.
10/01/09
you can't judge by outcome, or necessarily by intent. if that was the case, then i could fire off 12 rounds in the mall and could argue that i should be left alone because i didn't hit anyone. should drunk driving be wiped off the legal landscape, since as long as they don't get in a accident they aren't hurting anyone? laws are made, laws are enforced, laws are adjusted
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perhaps we should make stairs illegal, because more people a year die from falls then are affected by smog form a GRT.
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I mean, yeah, it's a diesel, it gets great mileage... but it's still a PT Cruiser.
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right? you know that right? you weren't just making my point for me out of ignorance, spouting off something that seemed like it made sense without thinking it through, right? or were you?
naw, you couldn't be. you must be agreeing with me, or else you wouldn't have made that point.
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and perhaps the Government has better things to worry about then what type of stairs I want to build in my own house or what type of car I Choose to buy.
But if your happy with letting them control every component of your life, fantastic for you.
Becides, there are many "stairs" that fall outside of the prescribed regulations. just because a new law comes into play doesn't mean all the old stairs have to get re-made.
fail.
All I am trying to say, is perhaps the government should be spending their time doing something much much much better then taking something someone purchased away from them.
@Merc63: Nicely done. I would submit that if they are worried about regulations over things americans actually want to own, they are are hampering our freedoms.