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    2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000

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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    04/21/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    New cars are collectively "Crack Pipe" but since gas prices are pretty low, it should be "Nice Price" in a while, unless the economy recovers (ie politicians know what is going on, what they should be doing, and actually doing it) and the USA starts buying Chinese plastic toys all over again.


    But this should do well in London since Ken Livingstone somehow decided Prii/RX450hs/GS450hs/LS600hls are more environmentally friendly than a small, European, diesel hatchback. He probably thought Hybrid meant some kind of magical motor that runs on air...

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    04/21/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    If the Prius "starts" at $21K, what do you get for the money? For example, is a driver's side airbag optional? Do I get AC, or at least power steering?
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    04/21/09

    @NewbiusMaximus: And the most important question: how many Hybrid badges do they put on the car for that price? Can you get more as options? Can you get "Yeah, It's got a HEMI" stickers? Or that "Over/Under" decal from yesterday?


    Those can make or break a deal, Toyota!

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    Image of Leeeeena the Jalopchick Leeeeena the Jalopchick
    04/21/09

    @Mobius_1: You've seen pictures of A Strooooolling the Jalopplayer's rear bumper, right?
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    04/21/09

    @Leeeeena the Jalopchick: Who hasn't? It is almost as good as the yellow Camaro's rear bumper which happens to be a certain famous blog's editor-in-chief as well!


    So yeah, A Strooooolling the Jalopplayer, was that a factory option or aftermarket? :)

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    04/21/09

    @Leeeeena the Jalopchick: Oh, and Wes has a nice "rear bumper" as well.
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    04/21/09

    @Mobius_1: It's a "dealer-installed accessory"!


    I mean, I used to work at a dealer, and I installed the accessory. The price is right, though!

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    Image of mdensch mdensch
    04/21/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    So much for Toyota's dream of actually

    making some money off this thing.
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    04/21/09

    @mdensch: they make money on the Prius since many years, don't worry, sweet dreams.
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    Gahh...it's in SF...the...14th most populous city in the U.S....
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    04/20/09

    @bmoreDLJ: Sorry...er...13th. Trying to be factual here.
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    04/20/09

    @bmoreDLJ: As long as you don't Photoshop a dead cow onto the roof of it, I think you're okay.
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    04/21/09

    @bmoreDLJ: Is that Bruce Willis in a helicopter I see?


    And have I just been entertaining? Is Jason Statham going to charge into my room with an Audi, guns firing?

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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    I placed my order. I can't wait to slide behind the wheel of that Jelly Belly.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    Hi, I'm the representive for the "Small Cars Pwn All" lobby, representing the Alfa MiTo, Alfa Romeo Mito Hatchback, Citroën C3, C2, C1 Fiat 500, Panda, Grande Punto Hatchback, Ford Fiesta, Ka, Honda Fit, Jazz, Hyundai i10,i20, Getz, Kia Picanto, Rio, Soul, Mazda 2, Mini, Nissan Micra, Versa, Note, Pixo, Peugeot 1007, 107 207, Renault Grand Modus, Clio, Twingo, Modus, Seat Ibiza, Skoda Fabia, Smart Fortwo Coupe, Subaru Justy,

    Suzuki Splash, Alto, Suzuki Swift, SX4, Toyota Aygo, Yaris, Urban Cruiser, iQ, Scion, XB, XD,

    Opel Agila, Corsa, Astra, Meriva, Volkswagen Gol, Fox, and Polo, and we would like to say, Collectively that


    HYBRIDS SUCK!


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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/20/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: I'm sorry, look. I understand where you're coming from, but you gotta at least read what you're writing! No one would rather have a Hyundai Getz. No one.
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    04/20/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: i'd never heard of a hyundai getz but i just googled it and, yes, i would much rather have one of them than a hybrid. it's not quite as offensive to look at and it looks like it would be much more exciting to drive. you can convince yourself that hybrids are cool but you'll never fool others. sorry.
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    04/20/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: I agree with your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    04/20/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: Actually, I did edit (And I missed a bit) but I took out the really bad offenders (Proton, Produa, Chevrolet).


    If anyone was wondering, that is most of the "Superminis" For sale in the UK right now.

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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/20/09

    @TENGRAM killed JR: I'm not trying to convince anyone that they're "cool", just maybe suggesting that it really isn't as offensive a car as everyone seems to think. There's no need for hating on anything at all.


    Good to note: just because something looks more exciting to drive doesn't mean it is. If you'd rather have sixty-five horsepower than a hundred ten, be my guest.

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    04/20/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: [www.whatcar.com]


    Open your eyes, my brothas.


    I also recommend the Brasil/Russia/China/Argentina sites of major automakers (VW particularly). They always have cool region specific models there, most of which probably should have been discontinued 10 years ago.

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    Image of It's a Camaro It's a Camaro
    04/20/09

    @TENGRAM killed JR: Okay, so lets just get a few things straight... you like this:

    Check your eyes. Please.
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    04/20/09

    @kumbayacars: I dunno, I kinda look the look of the Getz. I've got a thing for Hatches though, so I'm not an impartial judge.

    Plus it costs 7,635 - £9,445 in the UK. Prius runs 18,370 - £21,210. How do you like them apples?
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    Image of TENGRAM TENGRAM
    04/20/09

    @kumbayacars: seriously?? have you even looked at the pictures you posted? the getz is the clear cut winner.


    you should have at least used a more flattering picture of the prius and i'm sure there are worse pictures of the getz. come on man.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    04/20/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: What? The Dacia Logan and Sandero don't support your manifesto?
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    Image of It's a Camaro It's a Camaro
    04/20/09

    @TENGRAM killed JR: eh, I guess we just have different tastes. Are you a child of the 80s by chance? That might explain your affinity to the box shape of the Getz.


    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: Same as above. You really got me at cost, I won't lie. The Getz is a better value than a Prius. Dang, how did we get to debating Hyundai Getz vs. Toyota Prius? Worst flame war in Jalopnik history.

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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    04/21/09

    @kumbayacars: Not a flame war, just a stimulating intellectual debate. Fuck Garage 419, bring on the Getz-Prius smackdown! (Personally, I'd rather pay more and buy the Swift anyway)
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    04/21/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: I think that I'd like to sum this tangent up with a picture. . .



    DIS THREAD DELIVERS!

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    04/21/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.:uno vez mas. . .
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    04/21/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: Oh, and a heart for kumbayacars, for his spirited defense of the Prius. Although, I think either Ash or somebody actually has a Prius.
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/21/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: You should check the CSRSL.
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    04/21/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: I can't say that I understand what aforementioned image has to do with anything called "Prius" or "Getz". I can't say that I'm bothered, though.
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    04/21/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: Ah, my dear Baron: You haff forgotten the A Class Mercedes..I averaged 50 mpg in one in 2005 in Italy and I drive like an Italian.
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/21/09

    @1600mkII: Fat Italian gallons, though, yeah?
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    Only $20,500 more then a used Ford Tempo. How many miles then, do you have to drive your Prius to earn back the money wasted through opting for the Prius?
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    04/20/09

    @Ford Tempo Fanatic: Or $19,000 more than a used Thunderbird LX 4.6L V8, which is roomier, more comfortable, RWD, cheap to insure, noone will steal it, safe in a crash and easy to find parts for. And at even 17mpg city 23 Hwy, it'll take years before the cost of the Prius even compares. Oh, and for an additional $200 you can equip it with an in-dash navigation system, also available in other configurations on Ford Tempo.
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    04/21/09

    @Ford Tempo Fanatic: Is there nothing this man can't link to a Ford Tempo?


    Pickled Herring, go.

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    04/21/09

    @something_unique_and_descriptive: No there is not. The world is a Ford Tempo. Just waiting to be driven.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    To summarize: ugly as sin, still fuel-efficient, but now safe to drive in inclement weather?


    Well, if you beat that nose-wart in with a sledgehammer and gave me a backup camera for free, I'd roll on the flat-white house paint myself. Deal.

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    Image of Maxx Cracker Maxx Cracker
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    Does the 5.7-liter Tundra engine fit in there? That way I can have horrendous fuel economy and a hideous car.
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    04/20/09

    @Maxx Cracker: I love it. I'd buy that Prius.


    Well, if it was restyled...and drove completely differently...and did away with that regenerative braking bullshit...and didn't carry copious amounts of smug with it...and...wasn't a Prius at all, actually. I think...Yes, I'm positive I'm just describing a normal car.

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    04/20/09

    @Maxx Cracker: You can have horrendous fuel economy and a hideous car if you just buy the Tundra.
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    Image of AlienProbe AlienProbe
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    I'll stick with my 40mpg Suzuki Swift thanks. Why does the market really need hybrid cars anyways. A well made four cylinder can easily outdo a hybrid in mpg. I, honestly, think that hybrid cars are a sham. Consumers are too damn picky/lazy to accept a no frills car that has nothing but a high mpg engine and nothing else. Sorry if i offend anyone.
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/20/09

    @AlienProbe: Your 40 mpg Suzuki Swift is a lot smaller and less comfortable than my 45 mpg Prius...
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    04/20/09

    @AlienProbe: Your 40mpg Swift is a lot smaller, a lot less practical, less safe and a lot less fuel efficient than a 50mpg + (and I do mean +) Prius.
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    04/20/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: have you sat in a metro/swift? i'm 6' 2" and had no problem fitting in my old one comfortably. hell, i even used to sleep well in it. it's also not uncommon for them to get 50+mpg. let's not even start on the price.


    the Prius IS a compromise.

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    04/20/09

    @TENGRAM killed JR: I'm 6'2" and have no problems fitting in my Prius comfortably, and I've slept well in it, too. Your Metro still didn't hold nearly as much shit and people--try getting four people, all their shit, an ice chest and a tent to Bonnaroo in a Metro, betcha can't! It's not uncommon for Priuses, even older ones, to get 60+ mpg. I won't start on the price.


    Oh, my car's faster, too...

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    04/20/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: i can't say that a metro will carry more junk, but i never ever had to leave anything behind. as for being faster, a caterpillar is faster than a snail. SFW? and honestly, i'm not convinced that it is faster. got any numbers to support that claim?
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    04/20/09

    @TENGRAM killed JR: 0-60, manual transmission, 1.0L I3, 5-speed manual: 16.2 seconds. That's the version you'd want for fuel economy, anyway. [www.latimes.com]


    The '04-09 Prius does that in 10.6 seconds. You should be able to find a road test on that easy. The '10 is said to do it in 9.8. I'd call that "considerable".

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    04/21/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: @TENGRAM killed JR: This is the saddest performance comparison I think I've ever seen. I applaud you both for making the effort.
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/21/09

    @parramore64: Glad to be of service, darling.
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    04/21/09

    @A strooooolling the Jalopplayer: Debate over:


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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/21/09

    @Mobius_1: Awwh, thunder grey metallic! That's the colour I wanted!
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    This is an amazing deal, the 2010 Prius is an incredibly complete car.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    HYBRID WARZ!

    Get angry!


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    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: bollucks.
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    04/20/09

    @Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen memes ur memes.: These image things can be tricky.


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    @Four-banger? I hardly knew her!: Sometimes typing for me can be hard. .


    What can I do, I only haz one hand.

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    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    So what's the one that Wes liked going to go for?
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    04/20/09

    @something_unique_and_descriptive: I believe that is the one Wes liked.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    That's before the $5,000 Fucking Hideous Vehicle Tax, right?


    Oh, wait.

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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    04/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Toyota Prius Pricing To Start At $21,000
    Given $2 gas prices, it's about damned time that Toyota shave 1k off the Prius' MSRP.


    Unfortunately now this seems to say "YOUR MOVE, INSIGHT."


    Well, not that I care. The Insight's a better car anyways IMHO

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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    04/20/09

    @Pleco, the jalopNick: Reviewers' opinions (i.e., the opinions of those who have driven them) seem to agree that the Prius is a better car.
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    04/20/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: The Prius has much more room inside, drives better and gets far better fuel economy.
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    04/20/09

    @Wes Siler: Yes, but it doesn't feel like driving a fridge, and doesn't wallow. And it looks better.


    I stand by my statement.


    And what the hell is happening to Jalop? Since when do you lot DEFEND the prius?

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    04/20/09

    @Pleco, the jalopNick: Wes's review, if I recall correctly, observed that the '10 model actually drives well--not just decent, like the Insight, but full-on good to drive. This is an enormous step up from the 2004-09 Prius which, while I love it, is sort of like navigating a slice of bread out of a toaster using only a stick of butter.
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    04/20/09

    @Pleco, the jalopNick: For what it's worth, I just bought a Honda for fuel economy. It gets 70mpg, has 43hp and weighs 320lbs.
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    04/20/09

    @Pleco, the jalopNick: As much as I'd like to have one, I really don't trust myself on a motorcycle. Barring that, it's a lot more difficult to carry four friends or any stuff at all on a bike...
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    04/20/09

    @Gutpunch McRodbender, a strolling player's understudy: Ah, see, when the Prius review came out I couldn't be bothered.


    I mean, it's the Prius. It could well have been Wes Siler's review of the new Bosch dishwasher. I wasn't exactly riveted.


    I care about the Insight because it presents a challenge to the Prius and just... looks better.


    Full disclosure: I was also hired to write a bunch of articles for hondainsightreviews.com , a site which has yet to launch (and I don't think it ever will-- I think they may have lost interest in the project) and harbor strong feelings about the car I gathered 400+ pictures of from the HondaNews media site and read tons of press-releases about.


    Plus, how can you fault the Insight when it has neato options like the Zero-Lift bodykit?


    Honda, where is my long-term test car?

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    04/20/09

    @Pleco, the jalopNick: Ah press releases, the last bastion of unbiased truth.
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    04/20/09

    @Wes Siler: What, you mean they're not completely unbiased sources of information? Next you're going to tell me that wikipedia can be inaccurate!

    *guffaws*
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    Plecostomus [Tyrrell] was starred Plecostomus [Tyrrell] was unstarred
    Image of 1600mkII 1600mkII
    04/21/09

    @Pleco, the jalopNick: Hey Pleco: Are you saying you've actually driven both??
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    1600mkII was starred 1600mkII was unstarred
    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    04/21/09

    @1600mkII: No.


    Neither has been made available to me, but I've driven the Mk II Prius.

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    Plecostomus [Tyrrell] was starred Plecostomus [Tyrrell] was unstarred
    Image of weatherman weatherman
    04/21/09

    "Unfortunately now this seems to say 'YOUR MOVE, INSIGHT.'"- Pleco

    Yes, but after Honda already put up the "Checkmate" sign.

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    weatherman was starred weatherman was unstarred
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