@Ben Wojdyla: The difference being that the boosted I6 and the MR layout are justifiable in an on-road performance vehicle. A better comparison might be "Did Porsche ever start using fuel injection?" or "Has BMW quit making body-on-frame cars?"
I mean, I get that live-axles are classic muscle-car tech, but the state of the art has moved on. There aren't Holley carbs under the hood anymore, why can't we put a real IRS under the body too?
@Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy: I love that every Mustang post becomes a referendum on the solid axle.
I've yet to hear of someone who'd want a Mustang, but didn't buy it because of the solid rear. Everyone who mocks it for the solid axle would never buy one anyways.
Besides, for the vast majority of driving that the vast majority of us do, the solid rearend is just fine.
@Thrashy, Slayer Of Cones: I think Ben was talking about the RR layout in the 911. You know, ass-engined Nazi slotcar? The reason Porsche holds back the Cayman? The car that was air-cooled until 1998?
And, for what it's worth, solid axle or not, I can't imagine a Mustang is any more skittish than the BMW Z4 I drove once.
@Ben Wojdyla: Yes, because twin turbos are totally tantamount to a stupid and dangerous solid rear axle. You can buy an ATV with independent rear suspension, now. There is NO REASON a Mustang shouldn't have it. I have a 1996 Thunderbird, and the girlfriend has a 2000 Mustang. Her car is actually quite frightening to drive at any real speed on the 405 due to all the elevation changes and bumps, it's hard to keep the car in my lane at 80-85. In my thunderbird, I can cruise through the same series of bends on the 405 well into the triple digits. And her car has wide, sticky 245/50ZR16 FIERCE UHP tires, whereas I'm on a set of hardass 225/60ZR16 Fuzion ZRi tires and my car weighs 900lbs more.
It's not like mustang owners are throwing a hissy fit for a live rear axle-- the last gen Cobra had one. The IRS does quite well with a lot of power. People are driving around with 600hp, and with bigger halfshafts high-hp breakage is not a problem.
They don't do an independent rear because they are CHEAP. When my grandfather worked at Ford on Terminal Island (before they closed shop in SoCal), he complained to my dad about all the cheap stuff Ford would do to save a few pennies on production costs.
Seriously. One fucking trick pony.
GET AN INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION, YOU CHEAP BASTARDS.
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That's like saying did Toyota finally toss the twin turbo inline six out of the supra? Did porsche finally build a 911 with a front/rear layout?
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I mean, I get that live-axles are classic muscle-car tech, but the state of the art has moved on. There aren't Holley carbs under the hood anymore, why can't we put a real IRS under the body too?
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What's the difference between a 600hp Supra and one with 1200hp?
Nothing, they both run 12.6s in the 1320.
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I've yet to hear of someone who'd want a Mustang, but didn't buy it because of the solid rear. Everyone who mocks it for the solid axle would never buy one anyways.
Besides, for the vast majority of driving that the vast majority of us do, the solid rearend is just fine.
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And, for what it's worth, solid axle or not, I can't imagine a Mustang is any more skittish than the BMW Z4 I drove once.
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It's not like mustang owners are throwing a hissy fit for a live rear axle-- the last gen Cobra had one. The IRS does quite well with a lot of power. People are driving around with 600hp, and with bigger halfshafts high-hp breakage is not a problem.
They don't do an independent rear because they are CHEAP. When my grandfather worked at Ford on Terminal Island (before they closed shop in SoCal), he complained to my dad about all the cheap stuff Ford would do to save a few pennies on production costs.
Seriously. One fucking trick pony.
GET AN INDEPENDENT REAR SUSPENSION, YOU CHEAP BASTARDS.
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The real world has TURNS and the cars need to be capable outside of an effing 1/4 mile.
How about a car that can oh, go around a corner without 3-wheeling (without needing to retool your suspension!?)
Some of our MN12 Thunderbirds are well below 12.6 in the 1320.
Check out the stats on [url][www.sccoa.com{]] We have people in the 11s on FORD Independent rears.
You're absolutely ridiculous. Yes, let's just keep using tech that turns like crap, so we can get off the line just a little quicker.
That's like a screen door on a submarine. Brilliant.
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