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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    02:12 PM

    In reply to 2011 BMW 5-Series: Bangle Butt Goes Bye-Bye
    It's very elegant and attractive, while being understated when compared to the Cylon-era Audis.

    I like it, but I still don't car for how plain the dash and center console seem when compared to the A6 or the XF.
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    02:10 PM

    In reply to 2011 BMW 5-Series: Bangle Butt Goes Bye-Bye
    Nice sedan, but any word on the wagon? What about the M5 and the M5 wagon?
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    02:09 PM

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    There's an incredibly boring and arcane legal argument about how to characterize "leases" like these. I'll skip the details, but the relevant questions are:

    1) Whether Lexus can make the "lease" nontransferrable (to achieve the anti-speculative effect); and
    2) What happens when a bankruptcy court (or other forum) has to rule on what the "lessee" actually owns.

    I'm sure Lexus has great lawyers who already thought of these issues, but I question whether this is a workable arrangement and whether it will have the desired effect.
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    02:01 PM

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    Who killed the LFA?
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    01:24 PM

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    My garage is full.
    No thanks.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    01:30 PM

    @skaycog was here: I am Jalopnik. My garage is full.
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    01:42 PM

    @VeeArrrSix: That's better!
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    01:50 PM

    @skaycog was here: or "full of El Caminos, Volvos, E30 BMW's, a 95 Ford CF7000 Rollback, and one supercharged Jaguar"
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    02:10 PM

    @VeeArrrSix: Lucky you....quite an array of neat vehicles! Alas, in this life, all I have is my Explorer.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    02:14 PM

    @skaycog was here:

    I wish! One VeeDub, one Olds in mine.

    Thats the Jalop meme garage.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    01:19 PM

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    According to my math, this post has just slightly less than nil relevance to my life.

    Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to go ahead and file that away as a good thing.
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    01:16 PM

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    There will still be a line out the door to lease it, so for Toyota, it's a win/win.

    They still control the ultimate destiny of the car.
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    09:37 AM

    In reply to 2010 BMW 5-Series Officially Shows Us Its Headlights
    It looks a bit contemporary Volvo in the first pic. A bit Geely or Brilliance in the third pic.

    I like Volvo's nose on Volvos. Not really a fan here. Not terrible, but akward.
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    11/22/09

    In reply to 2010 BMW 5-Series Officially Shows Us Its Headlights
    The Partial Tablecloth Reveal Meme is getting really old.
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    11/22/09

    In reply to 2010 BMW 5-Series Officially Shows Us Its Headlights
    Looks like there's something a little bit Bentley about the nose.
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    11/22/09

    @weatherman: You're right... it's the way the top part and upper corners are shaped, innit?

    In pic 3 - it's got a bit of a snarl going on, it seems. Wonder if the performance can back that up.
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    11/22/09

    In reply to 2010 BMW 5-Series Officially Shows Us Its Headlights
    Nice car....I like the wheels. It looks like a BMW. Imagine that.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/22/09

    In reply to 2010 BMW 5-Series Officially Shows Us Its Headlights
    As with any new BMW, it's ugly, but should sell well to all the fashionistas.
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    11/22/09

    @UDMan: The outgoing model is one of the ugliest cars available today in the NA market, so pretty much anything is an improvement.

    ...and yeah, it will sell, because it's a 5er.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/22/09

    @UDMan: I will agree that the last generation wasn't pretty, but sometimes, I just don't care what the car looks like on the outside if it drives the way the company 5-er drives.

    This new one does look better so far, though.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/21/09

    In reply to 2011 Hyundai Genesis: "Tau" V8 Gets A 10 HP Bump
    I'm sure the irridium spark plugs had so much to do with it.
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Hyundai Genesis: "Tau" V8 Gets A 10 HP Bump
    Wow, because nobody has ever found a way to squeeze less than half a dozen horsepower from an engine by tinkering with the manifolds before.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    In reply to 2011 Hyundai Genesis: "Tau" V8 Gets A 10 HP Bump
    I still have a hard time believing that they didn't design the Genesis coupe big enough to accept the Tau V8.
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    Image of PowerTryp, Starless wonder. PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
    11/20/09

    @pauljones: Oh they did, you just have to put it in the back.

    [jalopnik.com]
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    @PowerTryp, Starless wonder.: Yeah, no. That doesn't qualify.

    Hyundai should have designed the coupe's engine bay to accept the Tau V8. Had they done so from the beginning, I don't think it would have cost them too much extra money, and it would give them and aftermarket tuners a lot more flexibility with the platform.

    #tips
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    Image of PowerTryp, Starless wonder. PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
    11/20/09

    @pauljones: I thought it was a good joke.

    The whole problem is that they failed to use the same platform for the two cars that share a name, so I wouldn't doubt that you could stuff the Tau V8 in the front of a Coupe but when your V6 already makes 300 HP then whats the point especially when the V6 weighs less.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    @PowerTryp, Starless wonder.: Platform growth potential.

    The Camaro just came out, and the base model has an engine just as powerful as the high-end Genesis coupe (although the Camaro is actually a tenth of a second or two slower due to its weight, though it get better mileage), and the Camaro SS leaves the Genesis in the dust.

    The 2011 Mustang will have a base engine more powerful than the Genesis coupe's premium engine, and won't have the same weight disadvantage that the Camaro has. And the 2011 Mustang GT? It, too, will leave the Genesis coupe in a cloud of dust and tire smoke.

    Granted, the base price for the highest Genesis coupe trim line undercuts the base Camaro SS and Mustang GT price by a grand or two, but for that extra grand or two, you get a hell of a lot.

    Where the Genesis coupe makes the least sense is stacked up against the base models of the 2010 Camaro and the 2011 Mustang, which are at the least it's peer in power, get better mileage, and are more refined than the Genesis coupe; all for a price that is in the same ballpark of a base, 4-cyl Genesis coupe.

    Had Hyundai designed a little more growth potential into the Genesis coupe platform by designing it to accept the Tau V8, they could have made the platform more competitive in a broader field.

    #tips
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    11/20/09

    @pauljones: Don't expect Hyundai to cow tao to you whims by designing the coupe to accomodate the big 'ol V8 cow Tau.
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    Image of dal20402 dal20402
    11/20/09

    @PowerTryp, Starless wonder.: Good point on the weight. Does anyone know the weights of the 3.8 and the Tau?

    The Genesis Coupe is a bit smaller than its domestic competition. I'm thinking a V8 model would be very front-heavy.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    @dal20402: I've been trying to find the weight and dimensions of the Genesis engines, but, ironically, those seem to be the only bits of information I can't find about them.
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    Image of alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons
    11/20/09

    @pauljones: Somehow I don't think the Genesis Coupe is competing with big 'Merican muscle cars.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/20/09

    @alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons: It isn't? Then what was it that was Hyundai's rationale for bringing the Genesis coupe to the market?

    @Mixtronic: So can the Camaro and the Mustang. The Challenger? Well, not quite as well, but it's far from scary.
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    Image of alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons
    11/21/09

    @pauljones: Yeah yeah yeah, I know they went and slapped the mustang and all that. But seriously, show me a guy who wants to buy a Mustang who's going to be swayed by a Genesis. My point being that in the real world, the yokels who want muscle cars won't be drawn to the the Genesis. It'll be young moderately successful guys and the JDM set.

    #tips
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/21/09

    @alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons: You make a fair point from the standpoint that a Mustang guy is a Mustang guy is a Mustang guy.

    But the truth is, the majority of people in the non-premium sporty, RWD coupe market (in which the Genesis, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, 370Z, and RX-8 compete) aren't necessarily Mustang people. They are people out to buy a car in that class, and while they may have a short list, they are likely to consider alternatives based on the deals they can get and other similar criteria.

    So yes, the Genesis does indeed compete with the Mustang.

    #tips
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