I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
@Ray Wert: I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
@Ray Wert: I'd say there's a difference between a press release that you somehow had an exclusive on and original content like the Edmunds walkaround. Particularly given that it's their picture.
You still have no excuse for copying their last line.
Also, there's this whole concept of taking the high road, being the setting the better example. Just a thought.
For starters, it wasn't a press release. We interviewed him. The quote from our Q&A is just as much a product of our hard work as their sentence is.
Secondly, if we'd taken the low road we would have run the story sans credit. Edmunds gets credit on this. In fact, we give them credit fully above the jump on our front page. They gave us credit too. Buried a bit, but they still gave it to us.
You see, we're not arguing that they stole our story. We're arguing that if they want links where credit is given, they need to do the same with us. That's called being fair.
@Ray Wert: Fair enough on the Press release Vs Interview. That's roughly fair tit-for-tat that they excerpted your quote and you grabbed their picture without a direct photo credit.
Your line of argument here suggests to me that you intentionally created the post as a response to them picking up on your exclusive Delorean thing without a link.
I still contend that taking the high road and being the better man is preferable to sinking to the levels of others.
That's all debatable, but the big one for me is:
They end with "lift with the knees" and you do the same. No quotes, no attribution. You put this forward like it's your own clever idea.
From a creative integrity standpoint that's pretty weak.
@Mad_Science: No offense, but I think you're seriously overreacting. The "lift with the knees" line is so trite as to be incapable of original attribution and unworthy of any other kind of attribution. It's no different with ending a weather story with "hot enough for ya?"
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@snapoversteer should STFU because: I admit that it's small, but it's like when your friend copies some joke or something that you just delivered. It's just not cool.
As far as making a big thing out of this, I observed that Ray didn't put a link over to the content he was referring to and pointed out that he copied the line. He brought up the not-linking pissing match justification.
...and since I keep harping on taking the high road and I'm not into abusing dead equines, I'm checking out of this little debate.
the 31x10.5x15s on my pathfinder weighed in around 100lbs. It was a bitch to get them mounted when you had a spare. At nearly 10x that weight, that is an utter joke. I mean, even 300lbs is well above most people's lifting capacity. Ford better crank out an onstar service pretty quick, or there will be alot of pissed off dead people in the middle of the desert.
@Alfisted: I AM the Mrs. thank you very much. And the 32 inch MTR & allow combo on my TJ clocks in at around 80lb. so you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel the need to kill myself in order to rotate those bastards.
For what it's worth, every one of those extra pounds feels exponentially worse when you're trying to line up the bolt patterns with the studs and you're holding on to that wheel for dear life so you don't drop it on your foot. What a PITA.
@HDC: I hear you about the lining up thing but I've always found it more difficult down at the hub than on the tailgate rack. Something about holding all that weight a mere 3-4 inches off the ground.
@Alfisted: I've tried to lift the Jeep just high enough that the wheel's barely off the ground. Then I put a bit of scrap plywood below the wheel to minimize lifting when putting it back on.
I've destroyed a few studs in my time (rim shot, please) so I try to use every mechanical advantage I can find to avoid putting in new ones again.
@HDC: I modified my Jeep's tire carrier by adding a pipe slightly smaller to than the inner diameter of my rims, and longer than the wheel studs to the center of my tire carrier. I also cut the end off at 45 degrees, longer side on the top.
This makes it very easy to lift the tire up, drop it on to the pipe section so the pipe supports the weight, rotate it around to line it up then push it back on to the wheel studs.
Can kinda see it here through the plate that holds the third brake light / camera.
OK, I've been away for a while and now I'm confused with the new commenting system. What are featured threads? How do you get your thread featured? What are these stars next to some people and not others. How do you get the stars? And I think I also saw some comments being voted up, how the heck do you do that?
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It's just we thought "no link" is the new link etiquette these days from Edmunds given their recent non-linkage to us on our stories:
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I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
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Kudos!!
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You still have no excuse for copying their last line.
Also, there's this whole concept of taking the high road, being the setting the better example. Just a thought.
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For starters, it wasn't a press release. We interviewed him. The quote from our Q&A is just as much a product of our hard work as their sentence is.
Secondly, if we'd taken the low road we would have run the story sans credit. Edmunds gets credit on this. In fact, we give them credit fully above the jump on our front page. They gave us credit too. Buried a bit, but they still gave it to us.
You see, we're not arguing that they stole our story. We're arguing that if they want links where credit is given, they need to do the same with us. That's called being fair.
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Your line of argument here suggests to me that you intentionally created the post as a response to them picking up on your exclusive Delorean thing without a link.
I still contend that taking the high road and being the better man is preferable to sinking to the levels of others.
That's all debatable, but the big one for me is:
They end with "lift with the knees" and you do the same. No quotes, no attribution. You put this forward like it's your own clever idea.
From a creative integrity standpoint that's pretty weak.
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As far as making a big thing out of this, I observed that Ray didn't put a link over to the content he was referring to and pointed out that he copied the line. He brought up the not-linking pissing match justification.
...and since I keep harping on taking the high road and I'm not into abusing dead equines, I'm checking out of this little debate.
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Metric shit-ton BTW...
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"Hey, Triple-A??? Yeah, I'm out here stuck with a flat - can you send a tow truck... and a truss?"
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I think that is kind of silly, as one of my wheels and tires are only 135 lbs. and they are much bigger.
And my wheels are steel!
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My Sun box weighs in at 118lbs and it doesn't roll...
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My frame of reference is 45 lb 31x10.5s-on- 15"-steelies from my old CJ-7.
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For what it's worth, every one of those extra pounds feels exponentially worse when you're trying to line up the bolt patterns with the studs and you're holding on to that wheel for dear life so you don't drop it on your foot. What a PITA.
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I've destroyed a few studs in my time (rim shot, please) so I try to use every mechanical advantage I can find to avoid putting in new ones again.
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This makes it very easy to lift the tire up, drop it on to the pipe section so the pipe supports the weight, rotate it around to line it up then push it back on to the wheel studs.
Can kinda see it here through the plate that holds the third brake light / camera.
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