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    Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches

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    Image of HurtsSoGood HurtsSoGood
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    So how much is 0.17 in^3? According to Wikipedia, that is just over 1/2 teaspoon.
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    "Uh, Mr. Long, your engine had 0.17 CID too much bore, we are going to suspend you and fine you $200,000, payable to our bank account via Western Union or Credit card. Please note we no longer accept cheques."


    "But what? NASCAR is full of bore and you fine me for only 0.17 CID?"


    "Hey, Mr. Long, don't try to play smart and get out of this one. Pay the damn fine and accept the punishment if you wanna get out of more trouble. Have you got anything to say to contest it that doesn't involve wordplay?"


    "Yes. Sir, you must not punish me, for I accidentally measuring device."


    "You accidentally what?"


    "The measuring device."


    "..."

     Reply
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    NASCAR, overboring?


    Shocking.

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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    06/18/09

    @Mad_Science: Okay, that beats the more serious comments. Well played.
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    Image of Uncle Bo Uncle Bo
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    For Carl its not so much the money (which he doesn't have), its the fact the he is suspended from attending NASCAR events for 8 races. He is a spotter for a Nationwide team and this judgment bans him from the track. In other words, Carl can't even do his day job, let alone race whenever he can scrape up the money.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    Soak the block in ice water, and have them remeasure. 0.17 cubic inches works out to .001 on the bore diameter of a 350. Cooling the block ought to shrink it enough.
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    Image of Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage! Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage!
    06/18/09

    @smalleyxb122: see above ;-) .00155" on the stroke @ the NASCAR maximum bore...
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    Image of Alphamazing Alphamazing
    06/18/09

    @smalleyxb122: Nope. You forgot to square root it. It works out to an extra .09 inches on the bore, a bit over 2mm.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    06/18/09

    @Gearhead_42: Without knowing off hand, the bore X stroke of an actual NASCAR engine, I ran with the specs from a 350. I figured it should be in the ballpark.
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    06/18/09

    @Alphamazing: I reran my calculations, and I'll let you re-run yours. I had a decimal wrong somewhere (350.017, d'oh!), but I didn't forget to square root it. I ran the numbers again, and I'm getting 4.00184 for the bore. 2*sqrt(350.17/8/3.48/pi)
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    06/18/09

    @smalleyxb122: Hey, idiot, your first calculations were correct (4.00097 bore), but using a calculated 3.48151438 stroke, instead of the spec'd 3.48. The fact that back calculating that answer with 3.48 gets 350.017 is purely coincidental.
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    Image of PowerTryp, Starless wonder. PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    Nascar did it cause they could, Carl Long is a hollywood stunt man and makes well in excess of that every time he goes to work.
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    Image of Uncle Bo Uncle Bo
    06/18/09

    @PowerTryp:


    You're thinking of Stanton Barrett. Carl Long works as a spotter for a Nationwide series team, and does work for other race teams in addition to racing in Cup part time.

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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    Ask any official, any real official - it doesn't matter if you cheat by a CC or a litre, cheating's cheating.
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    If McLaren did it, they'd lose all their championship points for the next 200000 seasons.


    AND fined 200000000 pounds, of course.

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    Image of Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage! Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage!
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    So, lessee... that's .0213 cubic inches per cylinder... or somewhere around the width of a hair too long a stroke.


    Who'd he piss off last week?

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    Image of Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage! Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage!
    06/18/09

    @Gearhead_42: .00155", in fact. A 30 degree temperature difference could show that much growth...
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    Image of Alphamazing Alphamazing
    06/18/09

    @Gearhead_42: Seriously.


    It also works out to a .09124 in increase in bore (2.318mm) which is way more than machining tolerances can allow for.

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    Image of Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage! Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage!
    06/18/09

    @Alphamazing: you forgot to divide by 8 ;-)


    .00066" increase in bore

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    Image of Alphamazing Alphamazing
    06/18/09

    @Gearhead_42: I did not.


    0.17 in^3 over on the engine = .02125 in^3 per cylinder


    .0215 in^3 = (PI/4)(bore^2)*stroke
    .0215 in^3 = (PI/4)(bore^2)*3.25
    bore^2 = 0.008325027792499 in^2
    bore = 0.091241590256303 in


    0.0912416 in * 25.4 in/mm = 2.3175 mm

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    Image of tenbeers tenbeers
    06/18/09

    @Alphamazing: Your math is weird?


    Bore radius ^2 * pi * Stroke * # of cylinders = displacement


    Another 0.09" of bore would be something like 16 cubic inches overall.

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    Image of Alphamazing Alphamazing
    06/18/09

    @tenbeers: That's why there is pi/4. radius = bore/2, therefore bore^2/4.
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    Image of tenbeers tenbeers
    06/18/09

    @Alphamazing: Dude, your math is WRONG.


    Take a 350.


    Bore it out 60 over (0.06")


    It is now a 360.

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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    06/18/09

    @Alphamazing: I see now where your calculations go out of whack. The change in cross sectional area due to a bore increase is not the same as the cross sectional area of a bore equal to the increase, since it is affected by the initial bore size.

    The larger the initial bore; the greater the increase will be with delta being constant.
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    Image of Almostbanned Almostbanned
    06/18/09

    @smalleyxb122: @Alphamazing: @Gearhead_42: @smalleyxb122:


    NERD ALERT.

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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    06/18/09

    @Almostbanned: Your point being?
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    Not the first time somebody paid $200,000 for 0.17 more inches becasue they thought they weren't Long enough.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    Someone was looking for an edge, and now someone else is looking to make an example of them.


    It must suck to be an example.

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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    06/18/09

    In reply to Carl Long Owes NASCAR $200,000 For 0.17 Cubic Inches
    Think my girlfriend can do the same? I've lied about a tenth of an inch or two in my time.
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    Image of pj134 pj134
    06/18/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: you sure you don't mean ten inches or so?


    I can hear that conversation now...


    "Yeah, I'm well endowed, about 11 inches!"

     Reply
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    06/18/09

    @pj134: Its more like this: "Babe, I got a big fat cock. Its like a baby holding an apple."


    "Really?"


    "Nah, its like a midget elf's micropenis."


    "...really?"


    "Nah, its just a big fat cock."

     Reply
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    06/18/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: A whole BABY??
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/18/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: You could always blindfold them and make them play the guessing game.


    Caution: that may backfire against your ego, however.

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    Image of pj134 pj134
    06/18/09

    @pauljones: Let's play a little game called... "Who's in my mouth?"
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    06/18/09

    @pj134: pj134 is Dane Cook! We all know it now!
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    Image of Skunky Skunky
    06/18/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: Found it!
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