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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rockets Blow Up, Video Exists, Elton John Unharmed
    Oh man, I loved those movies. A whole bunch of things got blowed up. Blowed up real good.

    [www.youtube.com]
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    11/20/09

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    Edited by beercheck at 11/20/09 7:16 PM beercheck was starred beercheck was unstarred
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    11/20/09

    I suck at the youtube.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/20/09

    In reply to Rockets Blow Up, Video Exists, Elton John Unharmed
    Billions of dollars? If you were to talk to any one of our most profitable health insurance companies, you would know that human lives are only really worth thousands. Maybe millions, if you are related to the CEO.
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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    I love fireworks. Who gets to light the wick on that one? #spacelopnik
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    Fly me to the moon, baby.

    Would I strap in on that bad rascal? You betcha. Sign me up.

    What's the mission plan on this thing? I actually haven't been reading up on it.

    Also, hello? If you're going to call the spacecraft Orion, shouldn't there be about forty-leven nuclear warheads underneath it? I understand that though the efficiency is really pretty low, the thrust is nonetheless something to see. Through sunglasses.
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    Image of SagarikaLumos SagarikaLumos
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    To be honest, I don't understand why this is much of a big deal. Seriously, they need not bother to launch this one. Though the launch configuration will have 5 sections on the SRB, this one has 4, just like the ones on the shuttle. The flight configuration will follow the SRB with liquid-fueled engines in the upper stages, while this one carries a dummy. What they're basically doing here is launching a shuttle SRB with a dummy load at the top. I think that NASA should know what a shuttle SRB does by now without launching one solo. #spacelopnik
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    Image of nataku8_e30 nataku8_e30
    10/27/09

    @SagarikaLumos: Maybe because there are integrated systems, as well as different structural loading that all need to be tested? Just for example, the "SRB with dummy load" as you put it, is going to have a different natural frequency than two SRB's mounted to the liquid tank and the shuttle. In addition, the vehicle is going to have a different acceleration profile, see different dynamic pressures / aerodynamic loading during it's ascent, and have an overall different trajectory. There's a lot of stuff that changes when you go to a different vehicle configuration, and you can only achieve a certain degree of fidelity through simulation.

    Do you guys really think the people at NASA are so dumb that they'd go through with an unnecessary flight test that costs tens of millions of dollars and took engineers years to setup? #spacelopnik
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    Image of SagarikaLumos SagarikaLumos
    10/27/09

    @nataku8_e30: Of course they would, and do, sometimes have to do some unnecessary things to have some visibility. They're creating a lot of hype around this launch, one which they've got to know will be trouble-free. When there are constant discussions about NASA funding and visible questioning of the Ares program, this is a cheap and easy "win" for NASA. You're talking about government funding and sometimes things that are done for visibility are just as important as those for research. Like Hubble- more time than would be expected sees Hubble used for visible-light photography within the solar system. Many of the near-CGI photographs (both within and outside of the solar system) are meant to remind people of the program. Laypeople never know about 99% of the valuable research of NASA's programs, but wouldn't 'like' funding NASA with tax money without the 1% that falls into the "that's cool" category.

    This is the most basic of visibility acts by NASA. It's practically guaranteed success, it's pretty cheap, they've made it very visible, and probably really doesn't mean much to the engineers working there. #spacelopnik
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    Image of nataku8_e30 nataku8_e30
    10/27/09

    @SagarikaLumos: I disagree with you on the usefulness of this test, and think that if you were more familiar with engineering in general, and spacecraft design and the NASA human flight certification process specifically, you would probably agree with me.
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    tonyola promoted this comment Edited by nataku8_e30 at 10/27/09 1:03 PM nataku8_e30 was starred nataku8_e30 was unstarred
    Image of brandegee brandegee
    10/27/09

    @SagarikaLumos: It's a high-profile launch to be sure...NASA hasn't had a rocket like this on the launch pad for a looong time. So they have to be thinking about media relations on this.

    But this launch carries with it about 600 sensors that will test integrated systems and first partial stage launch dynamics. Calling this a "promo" flight is missing the mark by a wide margin. #spacelopnik
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    10/27/09

    @SagarikaLumos: Despite the sophistication of computer simulations and static/bench tests these days, there are things which can only be determined by a true field test. Not every possibility or combination of events can be accounted for in a model, and the purpose of the field test is to see whether any new unknowns turn up.

    I've known NASA people for 40 years, having grown up in the Cape Canaveral area, and NASA does not do "promo" flights. Also, success is NOT guaranteed - the people at NASA have learned the hard way not to take success for granted. There's more riding on this than you might think. Certainly there's a publicity aspect to this launch, but there's also a very real risk - an accident or failure of the Ares would be at the least highly embarrassing and probably would call future funding into question. #spacelopnik
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    10/27/09

    @SagarikaLumos: Wow. I mean, wow.

    That's pretty cynical of you. Several millions dollars, a not-insignificant portion of which literally goes up in smoke during the launch, and you dismiss the launch as a publicity stunt?

    Proxmire was the worst thing to happen to the American space program. No, I take that back: safety by committee with a strong emphasis on proof-of-risk and the value of the flight vs. risk was the worst thing - Challenger was a disaster that was completely avoidable, except the beancounters insisted that another delay would be too expensive (how much did that Shuttle cost, anyway?). Proxmire's standpoint was merely that the space program was expensive and didn't yield much benefit on the ground.

    Well, maybe, maybe not. But this planet's only so big. Wouldn't it be a smart idea to have humans living in more than just one little place? In the event of catastrophe, I mean.

    Look much, much farther ahead than just this launch. It's not about publicity. It's about the next step. And the one after that. And the next one.

    Fanatic? Not quite. True Believer?

    Maybe. #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    @tonyola: 1 h-click for the great comment. #spacelopnik
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    Image of SagarikaLumos SagarikaLumos
    10/27/09

    @Elhigh: I'm not trying to be cynical about NASA as a whole. I really, honestly, love the space program. I just know that sometimes they have to play the game. "No bucks, no Buck Rogers." #spacelopnik
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    Image of drewdrawshashtags drewdrawshashtags
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    Scrubbed due to bad weather. Damn you clouds! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELLLLL!!! #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    @drewdrawshashtags: Hey don't damn me! #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    you got gizmodo in my jalopnik! #spacelopnik
    [gizmodo.com]]
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    Edited by günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi at 10/27/09 11:46 AM günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi was starred günter macbeetle, codename: chrystlubitshi was unstarred
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    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    Launch scrubbed for today. #spacelopnik
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    send lawyers, guns, and money promoted this comment f86sabre was starred f86sabre was unstarred
    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    10/27/09

    @f86sabre:

    Hey! Leave my lunch alone. It doesn't need scrubbing. #spacelopnik
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    Gorgeous shot; a little preview of our Post-STS future.

    Unfortunately the Ares I-X isn't the tallest rocket ever; the Saturn V was 363 ft tall, and the Soviet N-1 topped out at 344 (Jussayin) #spacelopnik
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    10/27/09

    @bmoreDLJ: Both included the little launch tower escape pod thingie on top. Pull that off and they're both shorter than the Ares I-V will be. #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    @bmoreDLJ: Ares V, the unmanned heavy lift version, is 380 ft tall, and that's with no abort system since it's not crew certified. #spacelopnik
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    Ray Wert promoted this comment nataku8_e30 was starred nataku8_e30 was unstarred
    Image of f86sabre f86sabre
    10/27/09

    @Ray Wert: But Ares will also have its escape tower. Attached picture compares the awesomeness of the big rockets and all things equal Saturn still wins. If I'm missing something let us know.
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    10/27/09

    @f86sabre: As it says in the first sentence of the post -- the Ares V will be taller and the Ares V will not have an escape tower. #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    @f86sabre: No, you're not. The Saturn V remains the biggest, most powerful single transport device humans have ever constructed.

    But hopefully Ares will supersede it in that category.
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    Edited by brandegee at 10/27/09 1:16 PM brandegee was starred brandegee was unstarred
    Image of f86sabre f86sabre
    10/27/09

    @Ray Wert: OK, I read through some NASA releases and it looks like the specs have changed several times for the Ares V. Here is a good run down put together by space.com...

    [www.foxnews.com] #spacelopnik
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    10/27/09


    @bmoreDLJ: Back in the late '50s and early '60s, NASA was considering a series of massive Nova rockets that would dwarf the Saturn V both in size and power. Some of the proposals exceeded 500 feet in height with more than twice the girth of the Saturn. They were designed for payloads as large as a million pounds. The idea was abandoned for both cost and practicality reasons. The whole Nova story can be found here:

    [www.astronautix.com] #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09


    @Ray Wert: You could have simplified things by stating that the I-X is the same height as Godzilla. Everyone would have understood it in those terms.

    [www.visualaid-shop.com] #spacelopnik
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    Space, the final frontier, an epic, unlimited, undiscovered, vast emptiness filled with pockets of extraordinary phenomena so intriguing to humanity!

    The world's brightest minds, the Earth's biggest dollars, the civilisation's most incredible technologies all fuse together to push a gigantic machine and our proudest representatives out to this unquantifiable vacuum in pursuit not for profit but for the basic human instinct that is curiousity.

    Go on, ladies and gentlemen, live long and prosper. #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    I can't wait to see the stretched version of the Ares rocket, code name "New Yorker" #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    "Here I sit, broken-hearted..." #spacelopnik
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    Image of xmdfmk7x xmdfmk7x
    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    Nice, all I have to do to see this launch is open the blinds behind my monitor and I get a birds eye view of all the launches. This is probably the only good thing about living in Florida. #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    this is an unmanned version of the planned-manned (zing!) rocket that will take us (back) to the moon, right?
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    Edited by theallpowerfulme (living waters church of subaru; elder) at 10/27/09 11:14 AM theallpowerfulme (living waters church of subaru; elder) was starred theallpowerfulme (living waters church of subaru; elder) was unstarred
    Image of nataku8_e30 nataku8_e30
    10/27/09

    @theallpowerfulme (living waters church of subaru; elder): Ares is part of the Constellation program, whose object is both to get back to the moon, and then to get humans on mars. Ares is just the launch stage, and does not have the capacity for the lunar / martian vehicles. The plan is to lift the crew module with Ares I, and the heavier lunar module with Ares V, dock in low earth orbit, and then head on over to the moon. #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    @nataku8_e30: In theory. We're going to have to get serious about funding, though. [www.theregister.co.uk] #spacelopnik
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    Image of nataku8_e30 nataku8_e30
    10/27/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Well, NASA's budget hasn't been as small as % of the federal budget since 1960, but it seems like it's impossible to get anyone to vote for funding for something whose tangible benefits take more than a month to manifest. Now, incentives for toyotas, dishwashers, and realtors - that's something we can all sink our teeth into! #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    In reply to Ares I-X Sits On Launch Pad, Not-Yet-Go For Flight
    I think NASA is compensating for something.... #spacelopnik
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    10/27/09

    @Peugeot--Has no star power: An aging fleet of space shuttles? #spacelopnik
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