Why can't I get say, half the max clunker handout for keeping what I have and not generating more debt...which, if you'll recall, got us here in the first place.
Sure, there are other factors, but 0% financing on everything was, IMO, the primary cause...other than greed.
Gimme $2250, I'll throw new wheels/tires on my Beater Baby Benz, and have the transmission rebuilt, so I keep the junkyard clear, still get 26 MPG on my highway commute, and throw some work to the local folks.
Hold on. There I go having that rational thought thing, again.
I am a Locksmith, On Monday, I re-keyed 4 newly purchased vehicles that were part of the first "cash for clunkers" program. I had 2 Mini Coopers, a Toyota Yaris and a Honda Civic. The cars had between 900 and 1200 miles on them and all were 4 payments behind.
The one female owner said she had been out of work for over a year and traded in her "clunker" and purchased the car in order to land a better job.
Besides putting us into further debit with the $4500.00 incentive, just imagine how the recent repo'd cars will effect our economy. and all 4 cars were from the first billion dollars..imagine how many more will come to my shop to be re-keyed.
They say our economy is improving, I say their full of $#!*.
@BlueBMWGuy: CFC isn't there to make people financial geniuses. People can still be as big a bunch of idiots as they were before. And that's a shame. HTF has a point - how can a one month old program wind up with cars that are four payments in arrears?
But at least you're getting some work from the carpocalypso, so it's all good.
What's this? Auto dealers having to eat thousands of dollars on every clapped-out clunker because the government can't pay up? That's TOO FUCKIN' HIGH!
Well, the first billion lasted about a week. Now there's two more. The math isn't that simple, because the eager folks pushed to get in early. I would have thought this second tranch would have taken us past Labor Day.
Running out of funding means that there's a lot of folks who want to buy new cars, at a moment when no one was selling any cars. The program has been a runaway success. Which doesn't make it perfect.
As with manufacturer rebates, the art will be in figuring out how to taper off from the program, while still encouraging folks to get down to the dealers and buy those wonderful new cars. Myself, I'd ratchet up the limits with each new round of financing: restrict it to trading in ever more clapped out cars and trucks, and ratcheting up the mileage improvement required. When you get to th point where all you can turn in is a Coupe DeVille or an F350 for a Prius, you've just about drained the pond and can end the program.
If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was starred
If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face was unstarred
@FromaBuick6 Misses the Banned: I think I've heard rumblings that the manufacturers are going to ramp up production, so after that happens and the product fills up the pipeline, we'll have a glut of non-selling product.
Again.
Unfortunately, we'll probably end up re-funding C4C instead of calling Don Ready.
I think you mean 1.814 "billion" but, million, billion, it's just the federal government spending money.
I am getting tired of hearing dealers complain about the program, ask them if they would rather have not had it at all. It's the first time running this, of course there are going to be glitches, but it did generate sales, so, to the dealers, "quit ur whinin"
If the government can't even run a simple car rebate, how can I expect to get reimbursed by the government when they send my grandmother to the firing squad?
F*ck - I thought you wouldn't notice the Caliber, and would instead be under the impression that I might be driving the E-bay Ghibli with Chevy 350 by now.
My mother cried last night when I told her about dumping sodium silicate into the engine blocks of the cars. She said that it was wrong for the government to "kevorkian" all of those cars that might still be usable for transportation for those that can't afford a brand new car.
Even this morning she was still bothered of the wasting of 23,000 cars that could be used for at least parts. But she is like me and very country at heart which means all this green bullshit that is on TV today is nothing more than a bunch of rookies making stupid talk.
@cgarison: Well, there's something to be said for environmentalism and reducing consumption, but that green "bullshit" you see on TV today generally has nothing to do with legitimate environmentalism. This cash for clunkers program is an excellent example - true, the vehicles being destroyed theoretically get worse gas mileage than most of the other vehicles out there, but they're just trying to stimulate consumption of new vehicles, and the resource and energy intensive manufacture of said vehicles. I can't help but think how many wind turbines could have been manufactured and installed with $950 mil, or how far that money could have gone with other energy efficient construction projects. The electric grid puts out significantly more greenhouse gas than the domestic vehicle fleet, yet you almost never hear about or see legislation pertaining to that - instead they target a tiny subset of a relatively small part of the country's carbon footprint, and treat it like it's the fourth reich. Hell, even plug-in hybrids are going to pollute as long as the electricity going to your house is less than 5% renewable.
edit: It's also important to note the difference between fuel economy and annual fuel consumption (a distinction that's almost never made). Annual fuel consumption is really much more important for both the environment and our energy infrastructure. My guess is many of these vehicles actually had very low annual fuel consumption, and rising fuel prices would push that number down even more. It seems like many of these were not the person's primary vehicle, and so may have accrued a few thousand miles per year or less.
After the dust settles from this program, it would be interesting to know how many Domestic vs. Import sales were made. Where I work we had 20 CARS vehicle sales made at our Honda store, while our Chevrolet store had 9.
Let's not forget that the billion dollar budget for the incentives has just led to an at least an additional $5 billion dollars pumped into the economy in less than a week.
Money that wasn't going to show up as a new car purchase for a long time, if ever. And what this economy needs right now is more goods and services being bought pronto, preferably durable goods.
I'm also going to bet that this CARS program will prompt a lot of other sales that won't participate in the rebate. Folks will come to shop for a car, find out their old one doesn't qualify or that the paperwork is cumbersome and has some risks, and they'll buy a new car anyway.
I'm hoping we can rely on car salesmen to do their job and not let anyone walk out the door without the keys to a new car in their hand.
08/20/09
Sure, there are other factors, but 0% financing on everything was, IMO, the primary cause...other than greed.
Gimme $2250, I'll throw new wheels/tires on my Beater Baby Benz, and have the transmission rebuilt, so I keep the junkyard clear, still get 26 MPG on my highway commute, and throw some work to the local folks.
Hold on. There I go having that rational thought thing, again.
Carry on....
08/20/09
Stable: '01 S54 M Coupe, '09 Fit.
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If not I coulda used a backup beater car...
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The one female owner said she had been out of work for over a year and traded in her "clunker" and purchased the car in order to land a better job.
Besides putting us into further debit with the $4500.00 incentive, just imagine how the recent repo'd cars will effect our economy. and all 4 cars were from the first billion dollars..imagine how many more will come to my shop to be re-keyed.
They say our economy is improving, I say their full of $#!*.
08/20/09
But at least you're getting some work from the carpocalypso, so it's all good.
08/19/09
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Running out of funding means that there's a lot of folks who want to buy new cars, at a moment when no one was selling any cars. The program has been a runaway success. Which doesn't make it perfect.
As with manufacturer rebates, the art will be in figuring out how to taper off from the program, while still encouraging folks to get down to the dealers and buy those wonderful new cars. Myself, I'd ratchet up the limits with each new round of financing: restrict it to trading in ever more clapped out cars and trucks, and ratcheting up the mileage improvement required. When you get to th point where all you can turn in is a Coupe DeVille or an F350 for a Prius, you've just about drained the pond and can end the program.
08/19/09
Of course, what's another 2 billion? This country's already fucked.
08/19/09
Again.
Unfortunately, we'll probably end up re-funding C4C instead of calling Don Ready.
08/19/09
I am getting tired of hearing dealers complain about the program, ask them if they would rather have not had it at all. It's the first time running this, of course there are going to be glitches, but it did generate sales, so, to the dealers, "quit ur whinin"
08/19/09
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08/19/09
But they gave me $4,501 for her! How could I resist?
08/19/09
08/20/09
Sweet new Caliber you're rocking there!
08/20/09
F*ck - I thought you wouldn't notice the Caliber, and would instead be under the impression that I might be driving the E-bay Ghibli with Chevy 350 by now.
08/20/09
So, is your Caliber lime green or orange?
08/20/09
My Non-Caliber BMW is white.
Aww, f*ck, now I'll prolly get demoted again for driving a BMW.
08/20/09
You will be trading in that beemer for something in a Kia Rio, right? It's an easy $3,500, stupid not to, really...
08/19/09
08/19/09
I know they're not generally popular on teh intarwebz, but I've always loved a spelling nazi
08/19/09
Mr. Previously Neglected Pilot, a heart-click for you too.
07/31/09
Even this morning she was still bothered of the wasting of 23,000 cars that could be used for at least parts. But she is like me and very country at heart which means all this green bullshit that is on TV today is nothing more than a bunch of rookies making stupid talk.
07/31/09
edit: It's also important to note the difference between fuel economy and annual fuel consumption (a distinction that's almost never made). Annual fuel consumption is really much more important for both the environment and our energy infrastructure. My guess is many of these vehicles actually had very low annual fuel consumption, and rising fuel prices would push that number down even more. It seems like many of these were not the person's primary vehicle, and so may have accrued a few thousand miles per year or less.
07/31/09
They're going to the yards.
It's just the engines that are toast.
07/31/09
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Money that wasn't going to show up as a new car purchase for a long time, if ever. And what this economy needs right now is more goods and services being bought pronto, preferably durable goods.
I'm also going to bet that this CARS program will prompt a lot of other sales that won't participate in the rebate. Folks will come to shop for a car, find out their old one doesn't qualify or that the paperwork is cumbersome and has some risks, and they'll buy a new car anyway.
I'm hoping we can rely on car salesmen to do their job and not let anyone walk out the door without the keys to a new car in their hand.