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Chevy Camaro To Beat Ford Mustang In June Sales?
Detroit, 10:20 AM
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Dear Ray,
...one teeny little addendum...
NOT TO MENTION THERE'S NOT EVEN A Z-28 VERSION!
Thanks for instigating an outpouring of Autoblog-like commenting on my Jalopnik.
I like you.
ЯEGAЯDZ,
POLAЯ
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OH HAI!
I forgets to turn off mai boldnessness!1!!1!!!1!
06/30/09
NOT TO MENTION THERE'S NOT EVEN A Z-28 VERSION!
I hold out hope that at some point, saner heads will prevail, and the Z28 shall be allowed to live.
But, then, I also hold out hopes for an AWD V6 Malibu coupe.
Yeah, I know. I'm weird.
06/30/09
Of course, the 4th gen F-body was supposed to be so much better, too, but the Mustang absolutely killed it in sales. Heh.
06/30/09
I disagree with your analysis. The Camaro outselling the Mustang for a month is indeed a very small, insignificant feat. GM has hyped the crap out of the Camaro for the past three years, and it's finally out. It will certainly sell well for the first year. But is it sustainable? The Mustang is an old,hoary, low-tech design which hasn't seen much R&D funding over the years. Strong Camaro sales for the rest of 2009 are a foregone conclusion.
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The Mustang is an old,hoary, low-tech design which hasn't seen much R&D funding over the years.
Really?
I think that it has gotten quite a bit of R&D money over the years, unless the GT500 and the 2010 Mustangs came free of charge from the engineering department at Ford. The refinements made to the 2010 Mustang vs the 2009 Mustang alone cost quite a bit of dough. And despite the live-axle rear suspension, there is nothing old, hoary, or low-tech about the Mustang.
I think someone is just a little bitter towards GM.
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I would rather bide my time and wait for the demand to cool a little so that I can get a reasonable price on one.
Also, if rumor is correct, and all goes well, the 2011 Mustang that we should start seeing stories on in a year or so is supposed to get the new Coyote engine, which should make things interesting. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if the base V6 also gets replaced by the Ecoboost V6.
When that happens, us Camaro guys might be in just a little bit of hot water. Hopefully the Camaro engineers are already cooking something up.
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Thanks for the insult, though.
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^^^^^psst! guys I found the mole!^^^^^
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Let's face it: the Camaro offers all around better numbers:
-It beats the Mustang on performance, whether we are comparing V6 or V8 models.
-It beats the the Mustang on price, again whether we are comparing v6 or v8 Mustangs. Yes, I realize that the Mustang theoretical base price is a grand lower, but once you start optioning out the Mustang to make it comparable with the Camaro, it winds up being a few grand more expensive. Try it on their websites.
-It beats the Mustang in terms of engines. The Mustang V6 mediocre at best, while the Camaro v6 is a gem of an engine. Yes, the 5.4 liter is awesome, but it's got nothing on the LS3.
-It beats the Mustang in terms of sophistication. Yes, I, too read Wes's review. Yes, I, too, actually test drove both. And I have to tell you, that despite everything Ford has done to make the Mustang live axle work well (and the made sure it worked damn well), the Camaro still has the edge.
-I realize that the Mustang has better steering feel, etc., but your average car buyer can't make that much of a distinction.
-The majority sales of both are V6 models, and let's face it: the V6 Mustang simply cannot compare to the V6 Camaro.
Result: Camaro wins.
Go GM, go Camaro.
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Or there's also that something about GM selling just about every Camaro that they make, while large numbers of Mustangs continue to languish on dealler lots with incentives attached to them.
Which, you know, might have something to do with the title of the post.
06/30/09
@Timtoolman, now with power tools!: Hey man, without the peanut gallery, where do you think you would get you peanut butter, huh?
As for being a GM fanboy, I have confirmed that I am many times over and many times again. That said, there was very little fanboyish-ness in that. That was simply a compilation of every review I've read on the cars, the test drives I have taken in them, pricing research, and cold, hard spec-sheet numbers.
I left out the "Found On Road Dead", "F*cked Over Redneck Douches", and "Mustangs droolzz" out of it. :)
06/30/09
Haven't driven either the '10 Mustang or the Camaro yet myself, though.
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But I think that the reason that Camaro is off to such a good start is a combination of the stereotype against live axles that Mustang is subjected to, the value argument for which the Camaro offers more the money, and at present, the Camaro has the better engines.
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Yeah. Mustangs don't have a redneck persona. At all. No sir, No way.
But otherwise, historically, you are correct. I think that the only time the Camaro outsold the Mustang was in the 78-79 model years. If any generation of Camaro could change that, though, it's this one. Most Camaros and Mustangs sold are V6s, which means that in the end, it doesn't matter which V8 is better, but rather which V6 is better. And right now, the Camaro V6 wins. I think that if given enough time, the Camaro has the potential to turn the table.
06/30/09
Either way, yes the V6's are where these two must battle it out. I believe that the competition this time around is much closer than it's ever been. We'll see if the Camaro and GM can manage do it. It's no secret that I have my reservations.
06/30/09
In most of what you wrote, I would wholeheartedly agree. We've established my love for the Commodore / G8 GXP, for the Monaro / GTO, and for the GM LSx engines in general. I just can't have any love for this car. It looks enormous in person, and it suffers from all the fatal flaws I object to in the Challenger, with the exception of the Tupperware interior. It's too big, it's too bloated, and it's truer to the heavy, overweight musclecars of the early 70s than to the lean, street-fighting beasts of the early-mid 60s.
But then, I'm one of those people who would rather have a fine-tuned high-revving 327 than a massive lumpy-idling 409, no matter how much that lumpy idle may excite my inner dragon.
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First the Viper plant is the first to startup again at Chrysler. And now, sales of two door muscle cars are taking off.
I love it.
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wait, what?
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Side note: I'm shocked that movies actually sell cars. Except Ronin. And maybe The Italian Job remake.
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