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    Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers

    EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers

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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    09/29/09

    In reply to Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers
    I get better MPG than this with my 15 year old Beater Baby Benz...it returns 24-26, in-town, and the I6, when you stomp on it, sounds pretty nice.

    I like intake roar.
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    Image of Saboth Saboth
    09/29/09

    In reply to Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers
    Ahh I'm loving my new mpg with the elantra...averaging 31 around town and about 36 highway. Funny because the EPA gave it 23/31 with the new ratings.
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    Paul Y. don't drive too fast. promoted this comment Saboth was starred Saboth was unstarred
    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    09/29/09

    @Saboth: Good job!

    Any vehicle can be driven more efficiently than what the sticker claims, by simply giving a shit about how much fuel you use.
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    Paul Y. don't drive too fast. was starred Paul Y. don't drive too fast. was unstarred
    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    09/29/09

    @Paul Y. don't drive too fast.: The new stickers are pretty easy to beat if you have ideal circumstances.

    I have typically beaten highway ratings pretty easily, but city ratings always seem optimistic to me, even with A/C off and very conservative driving.

    I still think both rating should be more objective. Like steady 20mph in 2nd gear (as a proxy for city) and steady 70mph in top gear (proxy for highway).
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    Image of duurtlang duurtlang
    09/29/09

    In reply to Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers
    So, what will happen to these numbers in the next 5-10 years? Will it improve further, or will it stall due to the end of C4C?
    As an European these numbers really surprise me, as 23 mpg is almost considered a gas guzzler value here. Even for a gasoline powered mid sized car.
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    Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger promoted this comment duurtlang was starred duurtlang was unstarred
    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    09/29/09

    @duurtlang: It’s all relative, over here when you drive an old truck or muscle car that gets around 11 mpg, 23 looks great.
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    Edited by Flathead Smith at 09/29/09 11:54 AM Flathead Smith was starred Flathead Smith was unstarred
    Image of Joshuman Joshuman
    09/29/09

    In reply to Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers
    I bet hybrid-driving environmentalists think that 23 MPG figure is really weak.
     Reply
    Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger promoted this comment Joshuman was starred Joshuman was unstarred
    Image of spuy767 spuy767
    09/29/09

    In reply to Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers
    I'm not doing my job. I need to get my GTO back on the road.
     Reply
    Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger promoted this comment spuy767 was starred spuy767 was unstarred
    Image of Triborough Triborough
    09/29/09

    In reply to Avg. New Vehicle MPG Soars In August, Thanks To Cash For Clunkers
    Can you say artificially inflated statistics?
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    Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger promoted this comment Triborough was starred Triborough was unstarred
    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    09/29/09

    @Triborough: Why would these numbers be necessarily inflated? People were incentivezed to buy slightly more efficient cars than usual -- I fail to see why this would be in any way surprising.
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    Image of flipnut flipnut
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    Dear Powers that Be, how about a hand out for the rest of us, you know the people with good credit, bought a home we can afford, pay our bills on time, and buy cars that don't suck and get good milage. WTF, where is our hand out.

    It's other peoples money and I want it now!!
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    Jeb_Hoge promoted this comment flipnut was starred flipnut was unstarred
    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    07/28/09

    @flipnut: Word UP. A few grand post-tax would be nice. That way I could replace my mailbox, service my car, get some branches trimmed, and add some pennies to my piggy bank. Call it a "good citizen award."
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    Jeb_Hoge was starred Jeb_Hoge was unstarred
    Image of skaven skaven
    07/28/09

    @flipnut: I have been preaching this amongst friends for the better part of a year.

    Being responsible does not pay, aparently.
     Reply
    skaven was starred skaven was unstarred
    Image of Shamoononon: I shave my legs. Shamoononon: I shave my legs.
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    Wait a minute. So, I went to see what mpg my old truck is getting (I already bought a new vehicle).

    "
    4 cylinder, 2.3 Liter, Automatic 4-spd, Regular Gasoline, (FFS), CLKUP
    MPG: City - 18, Highway - 23
    4 cylinder, 2.3 Liter, Manual 5-spd, Regular Gasoline, (FFS)
    MPG: City - 21, Highway - 24
    "

    Okay, how can they justify giving a manual transmission a higher MPG?

    Also, those stats are lies, it was getting maybe 16 MPG at most. I have the Manual.
     Reply
    something_unique_and_descriptive promoted this comment Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was starred Shamoononon: I shave my legs. was unstarred
    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    07/27/09

    @Shamoononon, Vampire Grater: Manual transmissions tend to transmit power more efficiently, thus you aren't wasting as much, thus you get better economy.

    Also in your example, the manual has a gear that the auto doesn't, that means you can control your revs more precisely.

    As for your poor mileage, don't rev the nuts off of it. Driven thriftily you should be able to get just about any manual equipped car to blow by it's EPA estimates. According to the EPA my car gets 28mpg highway, real world, driving like a granny, I can squeeze 32-33 out of the thing in town... and I have the ability to hit every single light red.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    See, we're bringing "change" to everything. If I had to do it all over again, I'd have voted Kucinich.
     Reply
    Turboner was starred Turboner was unstarred
    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    Please bump up the RX-7s, please bump up the RX-7s...

    Please bump up the Supras, please bump up the Supras...

    Please bump up the 928s, please bump up the 928s...

    Pleas bump up the 300ZX, please bump up the 300ZX...

    Please bump up the 3 series, please bump up the 3 series...

    You guys get the idea...
     Reply
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    Image of cegerer cegerer
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    Yup, checked my daughter's 97 Saab Turbo Cab and it magically now gets 19MPG! Oh well, I'm seriously considering crushing the car anyway as sweet revenge on the Saab engineers who designed the convoluted folding top mechanism on this POS!
     Reply
    beercheck - Commentin' Dirty promoted this comment cegerer was starred cegerer was unstarred
    Image of dosdelon dosdelon
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    This should make it easier for the government to pay for the bill for the people who are still eligible, both of them.
     Reply
    beercheck - Commentin' Dirty promoted this comment dosdelon was starred dosdelon was unstarred
    Image of Turboner Turboner
    07/27/09

    @dosdelon: Ha!
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    Turboner was starred Turboner was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    Tee hee!
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    beercheck was starred beercheck was unstarred
    Image of dfx dfx
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    The old EPA mileage numbers were not really low, its that they were gamed by the car manufacturers. Or do you not remember the hybrid fuel controversy and other fiascos?

    I actually sold cars for quite some time and it was well known that the average driver who is not a grandma hypermiling downhill both ways at 10mph under the speed limit would not realistically achieve the EPA numbers under any stretch of imagination.

    Why are hybrid cars around? Hint: it's not for efficiency or green. Its' because part of the EPA test involves idling, which is where they can easier game the system. It's good to see tougher testing, but, y'know.
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    beercheck - Commentin' Dirty promoted this comment dfx was starred dfx was unstarred
    Image of joneez wants the clunkers he paid for joneez wants the clunkers he paid for
    07/27/09

    In reply to EPA Secretly Changing MPG Numbers Ahead Of Cash For Clunkers, Screwing Consumers
    That's fine, I really didn't want to help pay $4500 for my neighbor to get a $30k car that's priced $20k more than they really need and probably not worth more than $10k at best anyway, from a crooked company that I've helped bail out and financed by a crooked company that I've also helped bail out.

    But I'm not bitter.
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    Tomsk 1.1 promoted this comment joneez wants the clunkers he paid for was starred joneez wants the clunkers he paid for was unstarred
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