Wait- is GM sweeping Pontiac under the rug already?
"The Chevrolet Camaro will forever be known as America's original muscle car."
Talk about revisionist history- first of all, that would be the '64 Tempest GTO.. and even that is wrong: look up the stats for the 1962 Dart and Savoy and tell me they doesn't qualify.
Second, the Camaro was a ponycar- which by virtue of it's very name, we know it wasn't first; and in fact it was the third, and the very appelation "ponycar" instead of "fishcar" is proof of a massive conspiracy. (Again, check out the stats on the Barracuda)
Fritz, after reviewing the latest balance sheet, called John Moss. The conversation went something like this:
FH: Hey John, do you have a minute?
JM: Sure, what's up?
FH: Well, I'm sure you've noticed that Ford has several versions of their Mustang. We would like to do that, too, because it seems to be working so well for the boys in Dearborn. Unfortunately, you've probably also noticed that we burn through $10 billion like my wife burns through bottles of gin.
JM: Yeah, I've noticed.
FH: So, we don't have the cash to do all these fancy "special editions" [makes air quotes] and were wondering if you could do one for us?
JM: Sure, but hasn't Lingenfelter just announced one?
FH: Yes, but look at how many special edition Mustangs there are.
JM: Alright, give us a day to put together some specs for a press release and throw together some Photoshop images.
That dark blue looks pretty good, but is it actually navy, like the bottom image, or a dark teal, like the top image? I could do without the racing stripes, too.
I'm glad the tuner onslaught for the Camaro at least started out with the big boys. I hope it won't (but fear it will) end up following the Mustang into ever-increasing numbers of "specials" and "limited editions". I'd include the Veyron in that sentence, but several of the Bugatti's variants are extremely appealing, like the Pur Sang, so I'll leave it out for now. But Bugatti, seriously, no more from now on, m'kay?
I can somewhat understand, as they are pretty much bulletproof transmissions. But for the love of God, can we please get our heads in the 21st century and develop some bulletproof six-speeds? I know, it is a somewhat nitpicky complaint, but I would have expected that the new six-speed that GM developed would be built to a high enough specification to handle any engine in their line-up, including the LS9. From a product development standpoint, I think that would make perfect sense, allowing for maximum flexibility in order to make the best possible return on development costs.
It never makes sense to overbuild something for a tiny volume, and then put it in the cheaper cars which are the majority of sales and don't need it.
I think this 4-speed has been "built", so it is much stronger than stock. I dont know why Fesler-Moss couldn't do the same with the SS 6 speed auto, which stock seems only good for 400 lb-ft?
@pauljones: On the other hand, I think it's a great way of saying to potential customers: "If you really want the Auto Transmission in a sports car, we are going to penalize you 2 cogs for being a poseur."
-I'd like to buy Mr. Fesler and Mr. Moss a drink for upholding such fine Jaloprinciples.
GM's new six-speed is not intended to be a tiny-volume product. It is eventually intended to go into every GM product. In such a case, I would argue that it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to engineer it to withstand every engine in the lineup, along with a manual designed to handle every engine in the lineup, to streamline R&D costs and also help amortize production costs by having it spread over every single make and model.
I asserted that it was bulletproof because my family has owned GM vehicles since that transmission first came out, and that transmission is the only part of each and every car that has lasted the life time of the car without so much as a hiccup. My mother first bought an Astro can in 1988, and finally sold it two years ago, and it was used for a lot of towing. When it was finally sold, it was on its third engine, but that transmission was still going strong.
As for how much the new six-speed can handle, I'm not sure.
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Take note, Lingenfelter.
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"The Chevrolet Camaro will forever be known as America's original muscle car."
Talk about revisionist history- first of all, that would be the '64 Tempest GTO.. and even that is wrong: look up the stats for the 1962 Dart and Savoy and tell me they doesn't qualify.
Second, the Camaro was a ponycar- which by virtue of it's very name, we know it wasn't first; and in fact it was the third, and the very appelation "ponycar" instead of "fishcar" is proof of a massive conspiracy. (Again, check out the stats on the Barracuda)
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Way to change only half the tenses in that sentence, jackass. don't!
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FH: Hey John, do you have a minute?
JM: Sure, what's up?
FH: Well, I'm sure you've noticed that Ford has several versions of their Mustang. We would like to do that, too, because it seems to be working so well for the boys in Dearborn. Unfortunately, you've probably also noticed that we burn through $10 billion like my wife burns through bottles of gin.
JM: Yeah, I've noticed.
FH: So, we don't have the cash to do all these fancy "special editions" [makes air quotes] and were wondering if you could do one for us?
JM: Sure, but hasn't Lingenfelter just announced one?
FH: Yes, but look at how many special edition Mustangs there are.
JM: Alright, give us a day to put together some specs for a press release and throw together some Photoshop images.
FH: So, it won't be real?
JM: Is the Volt real?
FH: Touche. Talk to you tomorrow.
JM: Bye.
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"Camaro Edition" Mustang, or maybe Veyron?
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It's the "Mustang Edition" Camaro we're lookin at he-uh.
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[www.feslermosscamaro.com]
Does that mean you'll end up with an LS9 if you order the option, or can you add it to one of the other LSXs?
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I'm glad the tuner onslaught for the Camaro at least started out with the big boys. I hope it won't (but fear it will) end up following the Mustang into ever-increasing numbers of "specials" and "limited editions". I'd include the Veyron in that sentence, but several of the Bugatti's variants are extremely appealing, like the Pur Sang, so I'll leave it out for now. But Bugatti, seriously, no more from now on, m'kay?
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The four-speed again?
I can somewhat understand, as they are pretty much bulletproof transmissions. But for the love of God, can we please get our heads in the 21st century and develop some bulletproof six-speeds? I know, it is a somewhat nitpicky complaint, but I would have expected that the new six-speed that GM developed would be built to a high enough specification to handle any engine in their line-up, including the LS9. From a product development standpoint, I think that would make perfect sense, allowing for maximum flexibility in order to make the best possible return on development costs.
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It never makes sense to overbuild something for a tiny volume, and then put it in the cheaper cars which are the majority of sales and don't need it.
I think this 4-speed has been "built", so it is much stronger than stock. I dont know why Fesler-Moss couldn't do the same with the SS 6 speed auto, which stock seems only good for 400 lb-ft?
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-I'd like to buy Mr. Fesler and Mr. Moss a drink for upholding such fine Jaloprinciples.
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GM's new six-speed is not intended to be a tiny-volume product. It is eventually intended to go into every GM product. In such a case, I would argue that it makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to engineer it to withstand every engine in the lineup, along with a manual designed to handle every engine in the lineup, to streamline R&D costs and also help amortize production costs by having it spread over every single make and model.
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I asserted that it was bulletproof because my family has owned GM vehicles since that transmission first came out, and that transmission is the only part of each and every car that has lasted the life time of the car without so much as a hiccup. My mother first bought an Astro can in 1988, and finally sold it two years ago, and it was used for a lot of towing. When it was finally sold, it was on its third engine, but that transmission was still going strong.
As for how much the new six-speed can handle, I'm not sure.
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