It is made from a Vauxhall Viva and a Scarface-style giant cocaine mound.
I still say Nice Price (almost typed Brick somehow) because of its attractiveness compared to most kit cars, as well as its embodiment of English motoring Hell. NP is now one vote shy of CP.
A real car built in a real factory, but it still looks like a kit car. After years of producing low-volume replicars, Panther tried to break into the big time with this car - it even managed to get Vauxhall dealers to carry the Lima. The experiment failed. $15,000 is too much for this oddball curiosity.
Actually, the Vauxhall Victor was sold in the US through Pontiac dealers in the late 1950s and early 1960s. It didn't sell well and by all accounts it was a nasty, rusty, unreliable little car:
Of course, this ugly thing wouldn't help you with your Lima. Restoring a Victor in the US would have to be an ultimate Project Car Hell.
I had to vote crackpipe, mainly because all the parts are made of unobtanium. I'm also having sniff test issues with the 1,100 miles thing. Did something unreplaceable break at 1,100 miles causing it to be stored, uncovered, in a dusty garage for the last thirty years? If the guy wants fifteen large for the thing, why didn't he at least clean the freaking dust off of it before takng the pictures? If it didn't look like it was rode hard and put away wet thirty years ago, it might get a "Nice Price". Based on these pics, I'd offer $7,500.
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For the first time on NPOCP I'm having trouble deciding. I mean, conceptually if I was going for a turbo'd Vauxhall engine in an old-school chassis, a Lotus Seven-style Westfield would be a far better drive and at least it IS the kit car it looks like.
On the other hand, to a young Jamesface brought up in a country where the Austin Ambassador counted as aspirational, Panthers were the business. Remember that when the MGB and Capri died, these were just about the only proper sports cars you could get on these backward shores. The dream was always the Panther Six with its alluring combination of futurism and unobtainability, but the Lima was the inteeligent Brit's way of saying "I like fast cars but I don't display my hairy chest in public, attend key-swapping parties or think You're So Vain is about me, so I'll pass on the XJS V12."
On the other other hand, Vauxhall Magnum spares usually require a weekend or two of well-researched junkyard diving even in the UK, so rarity notwithstanding in the US it's crackity crack crack with frosted crack topping and a side order of cracksickles.
But I have to vote Nice Price for sake of the ten year old Jamesface staring up at the Panther Six on his wall and desperate to drive anything, even if it was an Austin Ambassador.
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I'm voting Nice Price even though this one looks like it's seen much better days.
As rare as it is, as nicely sculpted a physique as it wears, as orphaned as the marque became, it's worth preserving. The 15 grand is a bit on the heavy side, but starting from that number, I'd meet with the guy to dicker him down a few.
There are cheaper ways to get into a V12 backed by a TH400:
If my Jag has taught me anything, the TH400 isn't a great transmission to be behind a (relatively) high revving engine. The shift points on the GM transmission are far too low. A 4500 shift point at WOT wastes the meat of the powerband.
That said, the price is about right for a 400i in that condition. Around $20k is about normal, and they mostly go up from there. I've seen sellers asking nearly $50k for them, and I think the cheapest I've seen a driver was around $18k. I still kick myself over the $6500 salvage 400i that I missed out on a few years ago.
I digress. My vote is nice price. I'd prefer a manual transmission, but a passable "next best" option would be a full manual, reverse pattern valve body in the existing TH400.
@brandegee: A malaise V6 Dino that officially never even carried the Ferrari name? Gawky styling - there is a reason that Bertone never did many Ferraris and this is one of them. This car was something of a flop, and it prompted Ferrari to rush out the much-prettier Pininfarina 308. You can keep this car.
@tonyola is not Dino expert: The Dino 308 Gt4 came with... a 3 litre 8 cylinder engine. The 4 carbs make a sweet sound (and smell), and the chunky styling belies the fact that it is a useful 2+2 car. It would be a fun hot-rod project to swap in a later engine or home-brew a Megasquirt injection and twin turbo setup on this one.
If for no other reason than to put the Magnum fans, Miami Vice poseurs and guys with more dollars than sense in their place at the track days. That said, I would de-Scuderia this one and place a Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys sticker on the fenders.
Am I the only person who thinks it does not look good in red?
These cars were not your traditional bling Ferrari's. They were designed for people who wanted a nice Ferrari grand tourer, yet needed something low key due to rising taxes, fuel shortages and increasing attacks on conspicuous consumption, including terrorists targeting the wealthy in Europe. Flash was way out, low key was in. How does a bright red 400i fit into ones low profile personality?
You why these cars had autos? Ferrari thought it would make them more appealing to American buyers. But most of these cars were grey market conversions, so who knows what the deal is with this particular one. At $24k, I'd buy it and drive it into the ground. It'll never be worth much, anyway. Besides, who has money to blow on Ferrari repairs nowadays?
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I still say Nice Price (almost typed Brick somehow) because of its attractiveness compared to most kit cars, as well as its embodiment of English motoring Hell. NP is now one vote shy of CP.
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Actually, the Vauxhall Victor was sold in the US through Pontiac dealers in the late 1950s and early 1960s. It didn't sell well and by all accounts it was a nasty, rusty, unreliable little car:

Of course, this ugly thing wouldn't help you with your Lima. Restoring a Victor in the US would have to be an ultimate Project Car Hell.
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Also, a Victor FB wagon with Solstice GXP innards is in my Fantasy Garage.
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CAR IZ EMMAKALUTE!
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On the other hand, to a young Jamesface brought up in a country where the Austin Ambassador counted as aspirational, Panthers were the business. Remember that when the MGB and Capri died, these were just about the only proper sports cars you could get on these backward shores. The dream was always the Panther Six with its alluring combination of futurism and unobtainability, but the Lima was the inteeligent Brit's way of saying "I like fast cars but I don't display my hairy chest in public, attend key-swapping parties or think You're So Vain is about me, so I'll pass on the XJS V12."
On the other other hand, Vauxhall Magnum spares usually require a weekend or two of well-researched junkyard diving even in the UK, so rarity notwithstanding in the US it's crackity crack crack with frosted crack topping and a side order of cracksickles.
But I have to vote Nice Price for sake of the ten year old Jamesface staring up at the Panther Six on his wall and desperate to drive anything, even if it was an Austin Ambassador.
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As rare as it is, as nicely sculpted a physique as it wears, as orphaned as the marque became, it's worth preserving. The 15 grand is a bit on the heavy side, but starting from that number, I'd meet with the guy to dicker him down a few.
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But you have to be prepared for the waves of ignorance that go with it. People will not stop and stare and say "OMG, it's a Panther Lima!"
They will stop and stare and say, "OMG, look at the crappy kit car!"
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*looks again at the whole-car shot*
Nice Price.
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Repair costs will melt your face off.
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If my Jag has taught me anything, the TH400 isn't a great transmission to be behind a (relatively) high revving engine. The shift points on the GM transmission are far too low. A 4500 shift point at WOT wastes the meat of the powerband.
That said, the price is about right for a 400i in that condition. Around $20k is about normal, and they mostly go up from there. I've seen sellers asking nearly $50k for them, and I think the cheapest I've seen a driver was around $18k. I still kick myself over the $6500 salvage 400i that I missed out on a few years ago.
I digress. My vote is nice price. I'd prefer a manual transmission, but a passable "next best" option would be a full manual, reverse pattern valve body in the existing TH400.
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With that budget, what you are looking for this:
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If for no other reason than to put the Magnum fans, Miami Vice poseurs and guys with more dollars than sense in their place at the track days. That said, I would de-Scuderia this one and place a Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys sticker on the fenders.
As to the 400i, Nice Price all day long.
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These cars were not your traditional bling Ferrari's. They were designed for people who wanted a nice Ferrari grand tourer, yet needed something low key due to rising taxes, fuel shortages and increasing attacks on conspicuous consumption, including terrorists targeting the wealthy in Europe. Flash was way out, low key was in. How does a bright red 400i fit into ones low profile personality?
You why these cars had autos? Ferrari thought it would make them more appealing to American buyers. But most of these cars were grey market conversions, so who knows what the deal is with this particular one. At $24k, I'd buy it and drive it into the ground. It'll never be worth much, anyway. Besides, who has money to blow on Ferrari repairs nowadays?
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I vote nice price, BTW.
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I'd spend $24k on a bona fide Ferrari. In fact, at that price I'd buy this and use it as my daily driver.
That's right. Every day. Rain or shine. Maybe not so much in the snow, that's what the FJ40 is for.
Nice Price.