Some old classmates of mine swore by Maclaren products, etc. We've always used Gracos that cost half as much...strollers aren't heirloom items, and they get beat the hell up, so I don't get the reason for spending lots on them. This recall doesn't help the case, either. #mclaren
No, the weird exchange for me was reading a facebook post from a friend and mother who is not at all a car person complaining about a "MacLaren recall" and me wondering how she could afford an SLR in the first place.
I did not know this was a stroller company. #mclaren
@YankBoffin: When we went stroller shopping I got all excited thinking that my kid's stroller had been designed by Gordon Murray.
Sadly, if he had this tragedy might have been averted and all we'd have to talk about is how a 13 year old MacLaren still freaking pwnes newer "superstrollers".
When my wife was pregnant with kid no. 1, we went shopping. We found a battered-looking but mechanically okay stroller at a consignment store for $15. Being low-buck but handy, we nabbed it. I fixed up the mechanical bits, sanded and painted a nice hammertone silver, and replaced the two front wheels. Sweetie recovered all the crackling vinyl cushions with a layer of quilt batting and thick cotton flannel.
Used it for two kids, then resold it to the same store for $25.
Can you believe some people buy these silly things new? And moms would actually ask where we got that great-looking stroller. Crazy.
My el cheapo stroller never pinched anyone, except me when I was replacing the wheels. What can I say, the pliers slipped. Notice how the word "safe" in MacLaren's promo picture is way off to the side. Like they'd rather not have to put it on there. 'Cause they know it's wrong.
Even though you represent a different view point, I very much appreciate the depth and purpose of your statements. Very well written as well... ever send an application to the auto mags?
I know they haven't posted weights, but I just don't like the people calling this an also-ran.
For the price range they are quoting, it's an F430 and co. competitor. Basing the comparison purely on performance, lets throw out front engined cars. With the pedigree of the McLaren name, it is going to compete directly with the big boys.
LP560:
552HP @ 8000RPM & 398lb-ft at @6500RPM
3,460lbs
F430:
483HP @ 8500RPM & 343lb-ft @ 5250RPM
3,200lbs
I'll be surprised if this weighs more that 2,500lbs. It is going to trounce the competition.
The ePRS (US Patent No. c11077983) reduced the press release to this:
McLaren renamed the P11 the MP4-12C because it is more difficult to say and that's the trend in supercars now.
F1 inspires the concept, 21st centry demands drive execution, and the '90s drive the styling.
It is the first in a range, so voice your disappointment now so we know what to fix on the next one.
We built our own before, the F1, and then built cars for Mercedes, the SLR McLaren. Now we're going to try to build our own again. Next, we'll build cars for Mercedes.
A revolutionary carbon fibre chassis is used. Carbon fibre has never been used in chassis before. Carbon fiber has.
The car is expected to cost between 125,000 and 175,000 GBP.
The engine will produce about 600 hp and 600 Nm of torques from a 3.8L V8. We point out our hp/CO2 ratio so Greenpeace won't hate us. A 7-speed manumatic with dual clutches and Pre-Cog will be used. I saw Minority Report and now I'm a little scared the car will be as bad as the movie.
We then use "bespoke" as much as possible because that's cool.
A lot of weight was cut. This gives us room for model bloat in the future.
Finally, we repeat ourselves without providing any more useful information. Performance figures and 'Ring time are still being made up.
"The design of the standard cast alloy wheels (19" front, 20" rear) was driven by McLaren's light weight objectives: the light weight styling was agreed in concept, then the wheel was tuned using Finite Element Analysis to take a further 4 kg out of the wheels."
Hmmm....lightweight monocell, relatively svelte 3.8L motor. I am very interested in the curb weight figure, much more so than any performance figures.
"To put it all in perspective, the MP4-12C's monocell is 13 times less expensive to build than the one in the McLaren F1."
If I were leading the project, I'd have made the monocell 13 times more rigid/safe/lightweight/awesome for the same price as the one in the F1. F*** affordability.
@Mobius: "This, well, can't even surpass the F1 in any of the aspects of price, power, acceleration, speed or innovation."
Bold claim there, especially since we have no idea what the performance figures are and nobody's reviewed it.
Considering this car appears to be designed as a lighter vehicle, has 95% of the power of the F1, trumps it on price, and innovates on build process, part count, suspension, transmission, and I suspect durability and maintenance, as an engineer I respect this effort much more than being lazy and throwing cost out the window.
So it's not as sexy, big deal. If it can perform it could look like the Mosler Consulier. Okay, well, maybe not that bad.
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The only exception would be made for a product called the McLaren F1. #mclaren
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I did not know this was a stroller company. #mclaren
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Sadly, if he had this tragedy might have been averted and all we'd have to talk about is how a 13 year old MacLaren still freaking pwnes newer "superstrollers".
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Used it for two kids, then resold it to the same store for $25.
Can you believe some people buy these silly things new? And moms would actually ask where we got that great-looking stroller. Crazy.
My el cheapo stroller never pinched anyone, except me when I was replacing the wheels. What can I say, the pliers slipped. Notice how the word "safe" in MacLaren's promo picture is way off to the side. Like they'd rather not have to put it on there. 'Cause they know it's wrong.
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For the price range they are quoting, it's an F430 and co. competitor. Basing the comparison purely on performance, lets throw out front engined cars. With the pedigree of the McLaren name, it is going to compete directly with the big boys.
LP560:
552HP @ 8000RPM & 398lb-ft at @6500RPM
3,460lbs
F430:
483HP @ 8500RPM & 343lb-ft @ 5250RPM
3,200lbs
I'll be surprised if this weighs more that 2,500lbs. It is going to trounce the competition.
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McLaren renamed the P11 the MP4-12C because it is more difficult to say and that's the trend in supercars now.
F1 inspires the concept, 21st centry demands drive execution, and the '90s drive the styling.
It is the first in a range, so voice your disappointment now so we know what to fix on the next one.
We built our own before, the F1, and then built cars for Mercedes, the SLR McLaren. Now we're going to try to build our own again. Next, we'll build cars for Mercedes.
A revolutionary carbon fibre chassis is used. Carbon fibre has never been used in chassis before. Carbon fiber has.
The car is expected to cost between 125,000 and 175,000 GBP.
The engine will produce about 600 hp and 600 Nm of torques from a 3.8L V8. We point out our hp/CO2 ratio so Greenpeace won't hate us. A 7-speed manumatic with dual clutches and Pre-Cog will be used. I saw Minority Report and now I'm a little scared the car will be as bad as the movie.
We then use "bespoke" as much as possible because that's cool.
A lot of weight was cut. This gives us room for model bloat in the future.
Finally, we repeat ourselves without providing any more useful information. Performance figures and 'Ring time are still being made up.
09/10/09
Now, McLaren, was saying that little so hard? I mean, it gives you a lot more room for PR bloat in the future.
09/09/09
Hmmm....lightweight monocell, relatively svelte 3.8L motor. I am very interested in the curb weight figure, much more so than any performance figures.
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If I were leading the project, I'd have made the monocell 13 times more rigid/safe/lightweight/awesome for the same price as the one in the F1. F*** affordability.
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The F1 was a V-12, million dollar, unique seating, pioneering hypercar that was the fastest in the world for a decade.
This, well, can't even surpass the F1 in any of the aspects of price, power, acceleration, speed or innovation.
This is merely a Ferrari competitor from McLaren, not a Ferrari destroyer.
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Bold claim there, especially since we have no idea what the performance figures are and nobody's reviewed it.
Considering this car appears to be designed as a lighter vehicle, has 95% of the power of the F1, trumps it on price, and innovates on build process, part count, suspension, transmission, and I suspect durability and maintenance, as an engineer I respect this effort much more than being lazy and throwing cost out the window.
So it's not as sexy, big deal. If it can perform it could look like the Mosler Consulier. Okay, well, maybe not that bad.
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