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    Image of ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD
    11/25/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    Hah, I did this course a few years ago. It was one of the best days of my life.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    The video doesn't seem to work.
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    Image of doug-g doug-g
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    Wes, wouldn't it be easier for you to just look for Bob Lutz's Cadillac and follow his tail lights? :)
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment doug-g was starred doug-g was unstarred
    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/24/09

    @doug-g: Ooooh! That's gotta hurt...
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    Love these analyses, Wes. Video is a good idea, too.
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    Image of PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    The optional Uphill certainly seprated the (wo)men from the boys for the ALMS weekend at Lime Rock.

    Simona De Silvestro showed the girls knew a better way around the track.

    She hit that turn right all day long, she was on the power prior to hitting the first apex and launched up the hill, she was hitting the next gear 30+ feet before everyone else.
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    snapoversteer 'bout to get told promoted this comment Edited by PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 at 11/24/09 4:57 PM PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 was starred PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 was unstarred
    Image of Jake Camitta Jake Camitta
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    To be honest I think the line the car in front of you took was better. I prefer to go wide in the middle of big ben and then turn in to get a better run down to the left hander. At the left hander I like staying all the way to the right (aiming for the bathrooms in front of you in the paddock) and then turning in late to get a very easy set up for the right hander. This is especially important for high hp rwd cars as it's easier to spin taking your line.

    Other than that you looked good and your steering input looked pretty smooth. I like lime rock a lot but i start to get nauseous if I do too many laps. Needs more left, haha.
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    11/24/09

    @Jake Camitta: Yeah, I concentrate to much on entry into both corners on big bend and forget the middle. Wish I'd picked a lap with a more aggresive entry into the downhill too.
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    Image of Jake Camitta Jake Camitta
    11/24/09

    @Wes Siler: It's especially tough to learn a circuit well when it's only 1 day (I'm assuming that it wasn't a 2 day school). I did the Skip 1 day at lime rock a few years back and had a blast but I didn't really learn the course until I started doing HPDE's there. You pretty much loose the first 2 sessions on track to just figuring out how the car behaves in each corner and getting a basic idea of the line.

    Then when you watch the video later on and say to yourself, "I shouldn't have braked so much before that turn" or "Why did I turn in so early there?" The most effective learning tool is watching the video of the first day before the second day to get a good idea of what to fix.

    Here's a slightly funny video of me driving at limerock in my 05 STi. You can see how far I go out to the edge in big bend... and then some. My steering wasn't so smooth but I didn't really know how to deal with understeer back then. You can't see very well but you get the point (also, ignore the stupid text).

    I can't figure out how to embed video so here's a link.

    [video.google.com]
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    Edited by Jake Camitta at 11/24/09 5:43 PM Jake Camitta was starred Jake Camitta was unstarred
    Image of zeeboid zeeboid
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    Complete and utter nonsense.

    Here is my racing advice in one sentance:

    Foot to the floor until you see God, then brake.

    easy.
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    Image of Brian Brian
    11/24/09

    @zeeboid: Nice!

    This comment conjures memories of meeting my childhood hero, Chuck Yeager. I grew up in the High Desert of Southern California, not far from Edwards AFB (and Willow, for that matter). I had the opportunity to shoot the sh*t with him at some length when I was a teenage hoon with dreams of becoming a test pilot.

    One of the questions I asked him was how he knew he was really putting an airframe through its paces. His reply was classic, "If I'm up there testin' some new hot rod and don't get to the verge of blackin' out, I know I'm not givin' Uncle Sam his moneys worth."

    Quite simply, the man's a God.
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    Edited by Brian at 11/24/09 6:37 PM Brian was starred Brian was unstarred
    Image of zeeboid zeeboid
    11/25/09

    @Brian: Agreed. heart click for an awesome story.
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    Image of GuinevereEscared GuinevereEscared
    11/24/09

    In reply to How To Lap Lime Rock Park
    More like this for all the great tracks around the US, Please!
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    snapoversteer 'bout to get told promoted this comment Wes Siler approved this comment GuinevereEscared was starred GuinevereEscared was unstarred
    Image of conrader conrader
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    i assume that you'll be live blogging during the race with Bob, courtesy of Amazons innovative steering wheel mounted laptop stand? #jalopnikvsgm
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    We'd rather watch your ass, Wes, than Lutz's. #jalopnikvsgm
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    Image of NilesStonne NilesStonne
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    I was lucky enough to take the 3 day course at Road America. What a fantastic experience! I was able to directly apply to experience to racing in Lemons, and I fully look forward to applying it elsewhere!

    I HIGHLY recommend the class - it was way too fun! And like Wes said, they treat you like adults, not kids.

    Personal experience - didn't feel much understeer, but did manage to get myself in the gravel once in the carousel! #jalopnikvsgm
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    Image of twinturbo2 twinturbo2
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    So, are they going to allow someone to run a Lancer Evo X, or are they a bunch of pussies? #jalopnikvsgm
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    BigHarv promoted this comment twinturbo2 was starred twinturbo2 was unstarred
    Image of BigHarv BigHarv
    10/27/09

    @twinturbo2: While I think an Evo X would be very impressive and competitive, I think it would be blown out by a XFR and a CTS-V #jalopnikvsgm
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    Image of DaddyRocket DaddyRocket
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    I am really hard pressed to decide who to cheer on. On the one hand, I'm a die hard GM man, and would love for Maximum Bob to give the world a show, but on the other hand I'm a die-hard Jalop fan, and it would be fun to see Bob get trounced by Wes and his ass. I'm torn, I'll have to make a shirt with one half Bob, one half Wes, and just watch the show.

    Still, good PR for both parties involved. #jalopnikvsgm
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    Image of norway_to_miami norway_to_miami
    10/27/09

    @DaddyRocket: Make one of each, and switch whenever one of them is overtaking the other! #jalopnikvsgm
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    Just to make sure Maximum Bob is thoroughly trounced...hide his keys.

    The concept behind the traction pie is pretty useful. Great for motorcycle education, actually.
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    Edited by that ain't the way to have fun, son at 10/27/09 4:01 PM that ain't the way to have fun, son was starred that ain't the way to have fun, son was unstarred
    Image of machaus machaus
    10/27/09

    In reply to Skip Barber Teaches Us How To Beat Bob Lutz
    @Wes Siler: what was your best lap time? Minute and single digits? Did they have the chicane in place after the uphill?
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    Wes Siler promoted this comment Edited by machaus at 10/27/09 3:59 PM machaus was starred machaus was unstarred
    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    10/27/09

    @machaus: No chicane on the uphill and not timed laps I'm afraid. #jalopnikvsgm
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