best time in a mini-van... hmmm probably my dad saying "i miss my v8" as he took us to school the 1st week day of having a rental '95 dodge minivan..... 4 banger (hamster-wheeler...)
a slug would have beat that thing off the line..... and then we put people in it...
I'd love that Caravan. It'd probably be easier to make nice, too. Not that you'd want a nice Toyota van.
Now, I voted for the Toyota, for one reason and one reason only: the damn thing's in Michigan, and the guy says it's rusty. That's an old picture of it, for Christ's sake, and half the rear quarter's oxidized already. When a Michigander says something is "rusty", he means that it won't pass any sort of safety inspection.
So, Toyota, because you'll have to repair everything below the beltline, and then the frame will snap in half when you hit a frost heave.
Chrysler liked to shoehorn that 2.2 in the tightest space possible. Even on my Charger, you had to remove parts just to access other parts. Perhaps, this is why the owner was taking apart the engine. He may have dropped his screwdriver down there somewhere.
The Caravan does nothing for me... sure it's a turbo, but the engines out so who cares, might as well save the money and just buy a normal Caravan with a toasted engine (actually you could probably find someone willing to give you one if you've got a trailer) and put some nutjob firebreather in there.
I went with the Toyota, mid-engine(ish), four wheel drive, and you can get Euro badges and have a "Space Cruiser".
While neither are really exciting, as a child I was (un)fortunate enough to ride in both, and I think the Toyota isn't worth the effort. It's almost as though they set out to design the least-stable chassis in existence. Highway speed in one of these, if memory serves me right, was noisy and terrifying.
Just on availability of parts alone, I'd say the Caravan is less of a hell, despite its turbo. Plus, I would always have a lingering fear of rolling over in that Toyota.
The Toyota is probably vastly more hellish, at least by Toyota standards. The Caravan is, ultimately, a K-car, which isn't a bad thing if you have to piece one together, but where's the fun in that?
As an aside, what 80s Toyota isn't rusty?
Here's the tailgate of the 89 4Runner I had:
Everyone I knew who wasn't from western NY was astonished at how rusty that truck was (and that I drove it and loved it-- it smelled bad, too). I loved it dearly until a head gasket failure killed it.
@Paul Y. can't think of a better, shorter handle: I call bullshit on that photo. The rear bumper's not rusted nearly in half, you see, and an intact 4Runner rear bumper is like a unicorn north of the Mason-Dixon line.
@smalleyxb122: The Jalops will do that to you. At least it's a $700 Toyota Van and your not trolling around Citroen DS Forums wondering which monetary black-hole will strip you of your friends/fiance/weekends/life... Jalopnik should come with a disclaimer.
@TheTooth: That would rule! New goal: A Woodward Dream Cruise worthy, 2904 mile reliable, $500 beater.
Dammit. I don't think I'd trust my Jag for 2904 miles. I'm always a bit happy when I make it home after my 32 mile round trip to work. But with a quick wash and wax, it wouldn't be the shittiest car at the Dream Cruise, and it was bought for a LeMons friendly $500.
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==hey Yasu...want to take us for a cruise??
-hmmm... will you pay me for gas?
==one way or another...
==clan we pray you wif grass???
-hmmm let me think.... ... .. ... ... ...
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umm YES!
and we 'hotboxed' the astro... regularly... gravel roads in rural nebraska can kick ass...in any car... and even more so in an AWD "small" van...
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a slug would have beat that thing off the line..... and then we put people in it...
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Me vs. Paul's van
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Now, I voted for the Toyota, for one reason and one reason only: the damn thing's in Michigan, and the guy says it's rusty. That's an old picture of it, for Christ's sake, and half the rear quarter's oxidized already. When a Michigander says something is "rusty", he means that it won't pass any sort of safety inspection.
So, Toyota, because you'll have to repair everything below the beltline, and then the frame will snap in half when you hit a frost heave.
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I'm going to sit down and make my own list now, so there!
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I went with the Toyota, mid-engine(ish), four wheel drive, and you can get Euro badges and have a "Space Cruiser".
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Toyota, due to sheer difficulty of working on that engine
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Just on availability of parts alone, I'd say the Caravan is less of a hell, despite its turbo. Plus, I would always have a lingering fear of rolling over in that Toyota.
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As an aside, what 80s Toyota isn't rusty?

Here's the tailgate of the 89 4Runner I had:
Everyone I knew who wasn't from western NY was astonished at how rusty that truck was (and that I drove it and loved it-- it smelled bad, too). I loved it dearly until a head gasket failure killed it.
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That Toyota is so close to me....
And it's only $700
Shit. I hope I can hold myself back until someone else buys it. I really don't need it. It's not even something that I knew I wanted until just now.
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Dammit. I don't think I'd trust my Jag for 2904 miles. I'm always a bit happy when I make it home after my 32 mile round trip to work. But with a quick wash and wax, it wouldn't be the shittiest car at the Dream Cruise, and it was bought for a LeMons friendly $500.