Graverobber, the correct foodie similes would be either:
apple pie/strudle
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chicken fried steak/sauerbraten
Crossing these streams = unappetizing
Also, inserting a Chevy small block into any old light weight chassis does not make driving goodness. I'll bet any sum of money this thing corners like a cow on skates.
@Alfisted: When your German soul is a slightly lumpy 2.5-liter four with balance shafts, maybe a Russian (Duntov)/American (Cole) pushrod soul transfer isn't such an awful thing. #porsche944turbo
The YankeeDoodlePorsche is a pretty neat idea, and this one looks to be well done. It's the age and mileage of the donor car that bother me. What nasties are lurking beneath the pad atop the dashboard? How beat are the non-Chevy greasy and flexy bits? Will the transaxle and diff take the twisting from the LS1? In short, is the friendly NPOCP mask hiding a horrific PCH monster underneath? The $15,000 tag looks to be within the price range of finding a lesser-mileage 944 (or maybe even a 968) and a spare smallblock and creating your own Chevorsche. I'm calling Crack Pipe unless a thorough inspection convinces me otherwise. #porsche944turbo
@tonyola: You pretty much covered what I was going to say. What's the repair bill and wrenching nightmare if the differential grenades? Are the parts easy to find or unobtanium? I voted Crack on this Porchevy. #porsche944turbo
I'm soo torn. While the premise of an LS1 powered Porsche makes me smile and I've always seemed to like the looks of the 944, 15000 dollars seems like a lot to drop on the car. Considering the body has 215000 miles and theres no mention of things replaced, I'm beginning to lean towards crack pipe, thought if he drops it to 11 grand id def go nice price. #porsche944turbo
I might be wrong.. but aren't 944's with dodgy drivetrains cheap and plentiful? and LS1's or L33s etc arn't that rare either.. This would have to be some really nice workmanship to warrant that kind of coin. #porsche944turbo
A quick check on "Dave's Engine Weight Chart" ([fixrambler.com]) doesn't whistle up a weight for either the LS1 or the 2.5 it replaces. But contemporary largish fours fall(Pontiac's Iron Duke, Ford Pinto 2.3) fall between 350-450lbs. Another site points up an LS1 as coming up at 500lbs, less with an auto. Was he weighing the engine and tranny together? If so, the weight argument may be a wash. So this is a mountain of horsepower, parts accessibility and driveability with no penalty in the handling. Ooooohh. #porsche944turbo
@Elhigh: Calm down Polyanna. 340 lbs for the original motor, and I don't know what kind of delta for the rest of the driveline swap, but more importantly, where is that weight? The original 944 had rearward mounting of the motor and a perfect weight distribution. This example, I suspect, won't turn in as quickly or behave as predictably at the limit.
You'd be better off turning up the boost on a 944 plant. #porsche944turbo
I'm crazy enough of Ls1s to Buy it just for the engine. My Hetero Life Partner is nuts about 944 (I know, weird, but it the only thing keeping this relationship hetero...), so he'd probably kill me if I ripped the engine out.
Needless to say, it'd be a bonding experience... #porsche944turbo
It looks to be incredibly well done, and although $15k might be a bit high for a stock 951, it's within the ballpark for a clean, low mileage example.
However, this isn't stock, nor is it a low mileage car, regardless of how many miles are on the engine. The wear items of the rest of the car are still the pricey Porsche bits, but from the sound of the ad, a lot of those pieces have been replaced/upgraded as well.
Some things that were not mentioned, I have to assume were replaced at some point in its 215k miles, but I'd like some confirmation before parting with any of my money. (synchros, clutch, bushings, tie rods, ball joints, shocks, etc.)
A tentative nice price vote from me, if the wear items that I'd have to buy from Porsche have been replaced recently, it's a great deal, but if I'm going to have to redo the entire chassis to keep it going down the road straight (or predictably sideways), I'll have to pass.
Nice price, only because it looks super clean. I bet it's a blast to drive.
Why the jab at it being a f-body motor instead of a 'vette motor? they are practically identical, some late 2001 and quite a few 2002 f-bodys actually left the factory with the LS6 intake boosting top end HP by about 15 ponies. Yee-haw! #porsche944turbo
@reefer: Not a jab, just acknowledgment that I had referenced a Vette in the opening for simplicity's sake, and the engine is really from an F-body. #porsche944turbo
Crack pipe!
The perfect balance of the 944 is ruined. Now it's too nose heavy.
I want a 944 something bad for a fun weekend trackable car. BUT, you can get the same BHP from a turboed 3.0L I4 in the S2. While spending the same money and not screwing up the balance of the car.
If you need to do a motor swap, I'd have gone with a boosted 3.2L VR6.
All that said, this is a cool swap. #porsche944turbo
@Quattro-luvr: The balance is restored if you just keep accelerating to shift the CG aft. Fortunately, now there's enough muscle to actually DO that. #porsche944turbo
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Hogan, vat haf you don mit der Colonel's Porsche? Ah, you crazy Americans! #porsche944turbo
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apple pie/strudle
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chicken fried steak/sauerbraten
Crossing these streams = unappetizing
Also, inserting a Chevy small block into any old light weight chassis does not make driving goodness. I'll bet any sum of money this thing corners like a cow on skates.
Crack pipe. #porsche944turbo
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Important safety tip. #porsche944turbo
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You'd be better off turning up the boost on a 944 plant. #porsche944turbo
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Needless to say, it'd be a bonding experience... #porsche944turbo
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Please explain. I'm at a complete loss. Maybe it's better if you don't. #porsche944turbo
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Porn does not go well with breakfast. #porsche944turbo
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However, this isn't stock, nor is it a low mileage car, regardless of how many miles are on the engine. The wear items of the rest of the car are still the pricey Porsche bits, but from the sound of the ad, a lot of those pieces have been replaced/upgraded as well.
Some things that were not mentioned, I have to assume were replaced at some point in its 215k miles, but I'd like some confirmation before parting with any of my money. (synchros, clutch, bushings, tie rods, ball joints, shocks, etc.)
A tentative nice price vote from me, if the wear items that I'd have to buy from Porsche have been replaced recently, it's a great deal, but if I'm going to have to redo the entire chassis to keep it going down the road straight (or predictably sideways), I'll have to pass.
Nice price with some caveats. #porsche944turbo
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Why the jab at it being a f-body motor instead of a 'vette motor? they are practically identical, some late 2001 and quite a few 2002 f-bodys actually left the factory with the LS6 intake boosting top end HP by about 15 ponies. Yee-haw! #porsche944turbo
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The perfect balance of the 944 is ruined. Now it's too nose heavy.
I want a 944 something bad for a fun weekend trackable car. BUT, you can get the same BHP from a turboed 3.0L I4 in the S2. While spending the same money and not screwing up the balance of the car.
If you need to do a motor swap, I'd have gone with a boosted 3.2L VR6.
All that said, this is a cool swap. #porsche944turbo
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