Yes, maybe someone (like Lotus themselves?) could show up Tesla by putting this Lotus engine and half as many batteries as the Roadster in the Elise chassis, saving about 175 kg and thus potentially giving better acceleration. The mystery with every range-extender is what it's like to drive with a powerful depleted battery and a weak generator. Stay away from long inclines.
Tesla toyed with a hybrid/range-extended version of the Model S, but they've stayed battery-only with three range options (batteries, moah batteries and DAMN that's a lot of batteries). Nor is Fisker a customer/competitor for this tiny engine, 35 kW is nothing compared to the 194 kW 2.0L turbo GM engine that will supposedly be in the Fisker Karma. Even the range-extender 1.4 L in the Chevy Volt is 53 kW, a lot more than 35 kW.
Like the article said, this engine makes sense in a PHEV as a backup power generator. I can't imagine the engine being very efficent by itself since it produces so little power, and it doesn't have a very high RPM to make it somewhat usable. It could make a good city car though since those don't necessarily need a whole lot of speed/power.
@Chike Ujuagu: The car runs on batteries, while the combustion engine is only there to charge the batteries. So you can accellerate all you want, which the electric motors with their generous torque will do nicely. But once at - say 70 mph - very little power is needed. Certainly much les than 50 bhp.
@ccc40821: the combustion engine is only there to charge the batteries
Sort of. GM has said the Volt's extended-range engine does NOT recharge the batteries, it just powers the electric motor. It's cheaper to recharge the batteries from the wall. But if GM runs the engine at the most efficient RPM and load then any excess can go into the battery until the engine can shut off. So maybe the engine pulses on at fixed high RPM and off regardless of car speed. Nobody has ever been in the Volt when its battery is depleted, so the details of how it works remain a complete mystery.
"Limo-Green"? What is that supposed to mean? Or maybe it's supposed to be "Limey-Green," as in "those limey-green bastards are cooking up another crazy engine."
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This raises several interesting questions:
1- which car would you put a hybrid crate engine into?
2- with the advances in casting and machining, why aren't there more monoblock engines?
@SlowMo (actually, there's no E on my R):
1. Hummer H1, just for the sake of irony.
2. Either it's a huge conspiracy of all the auto manufacturers, or it just makes it really hard to work on things like the valves or valve seats.
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It's been done by Offenhauser before: One of the keys to the Offenhauser engine's success was power. A 251.92 cubic inch (4,128.29 cm³) twin-cam four-cylinder racing Offy with a 15:1 compression ratio and a 4.28125 x 4.375-inch (111.1 mm) bore and stroke, could produce 420 horsepower (313 kW) at 6,600 rpm; 1.77 horsepower (1.32 kW) per cubic inch (81 kW/L). Other variants of the engine produced up to 3 horsepower (2.2 kW) per cubic inch (137 kW/L). The Oldsmobile quad-four engine bears an uncanny resemblance to the Offenhauser unit, once the plastic covers are removed and it's bolted up to a rear wheel drive transmission. Another reason for the engine's success was reliability; unit construction (no separate cylinder head) meant the engine was not vulnerable to head gasket or cylinder stud problems and allowed for higher cylinder pressures. [en.wikipedia.org]
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@SlowMo (actually, there's no E on my R): Why no monoblocks? I'd guess it has something to do with parts-bin engineering and interchangeability. It would probably be more difficult/costly to fit an existing design to a different chassis if none of those things could be changed. Offering variable valve timing in some applications may require a different block. Different mounting points for other applications may require a different block. That's a lot of extra inventory, cost-wise, for what is essentially the same engine.
Designing a new bottom end to address reliability issues means scrapping a whole lot of inventory. If you had separate block and head, you could redesign the block and crank, and keep all your heads, exhaust manifolds, and gaskets.
@theart: Not really since Tesla is only a Customer as far as Lotus is concerned. And the only thing Tesla sourced from Lotus were bodies for the roadster. The electric drive train is all Tesla's doing.
@CorporateFelon: That's exactly my point. With Tesla not seeming to be in that much of a hurry to be putting electric motors into Loti, they're just going to go ahead and do it themselves.
@theart: Tesla has made well over 500 Roadsters. That's more than any of Lotus' own expensive Elise variants. Lotus probably makes about 5x as many base Elise cars, but it's a much cheaper car without the carbon fiber panels (or 6,831 batteries :-) ).
As the current and past owner of several classic Lotus products, I can tell you that the thought of Lotus producing anything that is 'all electric' makes me shudder in fear.
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Yes, maybe someone (like Lotus themselves?) could show up Tesla by putting this Lotus engine and half as many batteries as the Roadster in the Elise chassis, saving about 175 kg and thus potentially giving better acceleration. The mystery with every range-extender is what it's like to drive with a powerful depleted battery and a weak generator. Stay away from long inclines.
Tesla toyed with a hybrid/range-extended version of the Model S, but they've stayed battery-only with three range options (batteries, moah batteries and DAMN that's a lot of batteries). Nor is Fisker a customer/competitor for this tiny engine, 35 kW is nothing compared to the 194 kW 2.0L turbo GM engine that will supposedly be in the Fisker Karma. Even the range-extender 1.4 L in the Chevy Volt is 53 kW, a lot more than 35 kW.
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Sort of. GM has said the Volt's extended-range engine does NOT recharge the batteries, it just powers the electric motor. It's cheaper to recharge the batteries from the wall. But if GM runs the engine at the most efficient RPM and load then any excess can go into the battery until the engine can shut off. So maybe the engine pulses on at fixed high RPM and off regardless of car speed. Nobody has ever been in the Volt when its battery is depleted, so the details of how it works remain a complete mystery.
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1- which car would you put a hybrid crate engine into?
2- with the advances in casting and machining, why aren't there more monoblock engines?
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1. Hummer H1, just for the sake of irony.
2. Either it's a huge conspiracy of all the auto manufacturers, or it just makes it really hard to work on things like the valves or valve seats.
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2. Yeah. I understand the maintenance concern but how many engines these days ever get to the point where the valves or valve seats need work? I think it is fairly small compared to the problems caused by head and manifold gaskets. I can't help but wonder about the compression ratio possibilities too.
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It's been done by Offenhauser before:
One of the keys to the Offenhauser engine's success was power. A 251.92 cubic inch (4,128.29 cm³) twin-cam four-cylinder racing Offy with a 15:1 compression ratio and a 4.28125 x 4.375-inch (111.1 mm) bore and stroke, could produce 420 horsepower (313 kW) at 6,600 rpm; 1.77 horsepower (1.32 kW) per cubic inch (81 kW/L). Other variants of the engine produced up to 3 horsepower (2.2 kW) per cubic inch (137 kW/L). The Oldsmobile quad-four engine bears an uncanny resemblance to the Offenhauser unit, once the plastic covers are removed and it's bolted up to a rear wheel drive transmission. Another reason for the engine's success was reliability; unit construction (no separate cylinder head) meant the engine was not vulnerable to head gasket or cylinder stud problems and allowed for higher cylinder pressures.
[en.wikipedia.org]
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Designing a new bottom end to address reliability issues means scrapping a whole lot of inventory. If you had separate block and head, you could redesign the block and crank, and keep all your heads, exhaust manifolds, and gaskets.
That's my theory, anyway.
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