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brandegee
12:37 PM

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Didn't everyone balk in the same manner when Porsche first offered ceramics brakes for many, many thousands of Euros? If you want cutting edge, you pay.
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Steve_in_NC
12/09/09

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This is the first lithium ion battery available in a car. So what do you price compare it to?

Porsche owners are rarely badge chasers, they spend the money to drive arguably the best performing cars in the world.
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Scaramanga
01:37 AM

@Steve_in_NC:

First, this isn't the first lithium-ion battery in a car. We have everything from the Tesla to Toyota's JDM Vitz Hybrid that had a lithium-ion battery since 2003.

Second, If we are going to compare then we should compare it to Braille batteries. They offer high-performance batteries ranging from light weight carbon fiber batteries to li-ion batteries like this Porsche's.

At $1,700 its not insanely expensive. Lithium-ion Brailles are closer to $2,000.

The Braille's battery however is even lighter at a mere 8lbs for the li-ion 12V battery compared to Porsche's 13 lbs.

The better deal is likely Braillle's Carbon-Fiber batteries which offer lightweight batteries that come in 6.6lbs, 11.5lbs, and 15lbs and cost only $200-250.

[www.braillebattery.com]
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cdawgj
07:46 AM

@Scaramanga: Don't forget Voltphreaks, $1300 for a 5 pound battery. BTW those small (under 15 pound) lead-acid batteries are marginal for most cars.
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FrankGrimes
12/09/09

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There are worse companies to give your money to.
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mercury_marine
12/09/09

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Inside? Four Radio Shack AA alkaline batteries.
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Mobius
12/09/09

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But it says "motorsport", it must be expensive!
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Hopman
12/09/09

@Mobius: If it just said "Porsche" on it, they could only charge $1,000.
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Elhigh
12/09/09

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Around here $1700 gets you a newish battery with a somewhat battered Civic CRX wrapped around it. And when the battery wears out, you can get a new one for $80 and you still have a tossable little car.

It might be a fabulous drive, but it's probably beyond my capacity to control without a fair amount of training. And even then, I couldn't use it day to day.

Cracked battery case pipe.
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VeeArrrSix
12/09/09

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Optima Red Top's are like 150 bucks. How much better is that thing besides weighing much much less?
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Number_Six
12/09/09

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In all fairness to Porsche, that's not much more than it costs to have your Sport-Chrono dial painted yellow, so it's a bargain.
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DoctorNine
12/09/09

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Perhaps the new business model for GM, should be creating one off replacement parts for Porsche vehicles, and charging JUST A LITTLE less for them...
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Thomas Paladino
12/09/09

@DoctorNine: You know, on the surface that's a pretty brilliant idea actually.

But the problem is that the Porsche freaks would never ever settle for less than OEM or better for their precious little mid-life-crisismobiles.

So I think the smarter idea would actually be to market those parts through a shadow company with a really exclusive-sounding German name and charge a little MORE for them.

They'd be in the black in no time.
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pres
12/09/09

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Even if it somehow made the car do this, I'd still call it overpriced.
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jaygryph
12/09/09

@pres: Pedestrian Electro Bastard Ray!

Carmageddon for the WIN!

For the record they screwed up the PEBR in #3 making it a one at a time powerup.
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pres
12/09/09

@jaygryph: Damn, I was actually thinking of exactly that when I posted this picture. I loved the "zot-zot-zot" of frying pedestrians as you drove by them with it on.
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LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
04/17/09

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BULLSHIT!
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☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.
04/17/09

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If they get this battery production off the ground, it should give the electric car market a real kick in pants.

There seems to be the notion floating around that the arrival of a decent, practical electric car is going to completely kill off the internal combustion engine and the last 100 years of automotive culture...I doubt that very much. (Except maybe in California, where they'll probably make everyone drive their petrol-burners off the Golden-Gate bridge at gunpoint).
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LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
04/17/09

@Comrade ☠Grяrяrяrяrяrяrя reporting for duty!: I can see California becoming the first state to fit human rectums with catalytic converters because of the high fibre, meat free diets that common over there.
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Mobius
04/16/09

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It changed a bunch of managers, had some terrible reviews from Top Gear.

It's late on a bunch of orders, and Top Gear's pushing scene wasn't even real but made everyone believe the car ran out of juice!

LEAVE TESLA ALONE! You are they are trying to solve the environmental crisis which was created by you BASTARDS!

LEAVE TESLA ALONE!…..Please.

LEAVE TESLA ALONE!!!
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Jim-Bob
04/16/09

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I can't be bothered to try one. I get my fun in equal parts from building and designing my own stuff as well as driving it. I am working on an engineering degree right now, but honestly, most modern machinery leaves me cold. It's too antiseptic and lacks a soul. It feels like it was designed by a machine to do a machine's tasks and that is about it. Where is the passion in a modern car? Where is the passion in an electric motor? There is none. I can work on a Fiat from the 1960's and it is quirky in a cool way, the same goes for a American car of that era. Things were distinctive and came from the mind of a man working with pencil and paper. Modern cars all feel electric: That is they are the computer's solution to a equation entered by the programmer. Since math solves the same no matter where you are, and most companies use the same computers, most cars are about the same. There just isn't the mystery and joy in an electric car as there is in an internal combustion engined car. There isn't a whole lot to tinker with and that's what I dislike more than anything else.
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elwood
04/16/09

@Jim-Bob: Maybe you should be a mechanic instead of an engineer. Practical application of math is what we do. And ignoring the best design that meets your constraints because other, poorer designs have better aesthetics is poor engineering.
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Jim-Bob
04/16/09

@elwood: I was working on prepping for a Calculus test as I wrote that. I have played with hybrid and electric powertrains on paper, and can do it if I have to. However, I would rather see the government get rid of the CAFE standards (and the EPA entirely, along with about 70% of all regulations and government jobs) and us all go back to a time when social engineering was not being used to push people into certain technologies. I am not opposed to all new technology, but I do not think that all new technology has merit.

Frankly, Global Warming is not a man made issue. It is merely a lie being used to grab power for the government and keep scientists employed due to the grant system. If they find problems, they keep their jobs. If they say the problem does not exist, they have no reason to be employed.
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Ben Wojdyla
04/16/09

@Jim-Bob: Since you're readying for a Calculus test and working towards an engineering degree, I'll assume you're a freshman. After you've gone through heat transfer, fluid dynamics, material science, environmental science, engine design, and a couple chemistry courses, you should come back and try to justify your statements on global warming.
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Jim-Bob
04/16/09

@Ben Wojdyla: I will. I feel it is a justifiable stance and that with more education I will be able to justify my position. There is plenty of science that disputes the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis and I feel that more education will only strengthen my position. Also, I am not a kid just out of High School. I am a returning student of 35 who reads a lot in his spare time. I just don't have the normal encumbrances that most have at my age (good job, wife, kids, etc.) and have decided to pursue my lifelong dream of working in Mechanical Engineering. I also have long learned to question conventional thinking and when you are done, question your conclusions too. So, maybe I will change my mind, maybe I will change how others think instead.
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Ben Wojdyla
04/16/09

@Jim-Bob: A totally fair stance to take.
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Jim-Bob
04/16/09

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I would rather die in a Global Warming induced worldwide flood than drive an electric car. Sorry, but saving the planet is not worthwhile if it means giving up the one joy I have here: Internal Combustion engines. I for one do not care if my 1985 Oldsmochevy is the one and only cause of the planet's destruction. It is the one joy life has given me and I am not about to sacrifice it on the altar of Algore's scare tactics.
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Ben Wojdyla
04/16/09

@Jim-Bob: Have you ever driven an electric car? They're actually a great deal of fun. The power is incredible.
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