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    2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Alllll right, kill that spoiler already! That's the worst bit. The rest of it's tolerable until you need to drive the car through a snowbank, at which point its status changes to "was tolerable" and you're throwing bits of bumper into the trunk.
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    Image of jduffy13 jduffy13
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Mugen is just an unattractive name.


    I think they should consider changing it to something a little more sonorous.

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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    02/09/09

    @jduffy13: How 'bout "Gumen"? ;-)
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    Image of layabout layabout
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    The worlds first car to combine smugness & chavyness.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    02/07/09

    @layabout now with V8 power: In other words, Clarkson is just chomping at the bit to run over one with a tank or something.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    02/08/09

    @Tomsk can park himself, thank you: It's only a matter of time until it happens,no doubt he'll have the Honda towing a caravan when it gets squashed.
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    Image of .357 .357
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    I wouldn't buy a hybrid, but if it was this or a Prius I would definitely pick the Mugen Insight.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Very cool project, and it sure helps distinguish the Insight from the Prius. The wheels don't seem particularly aero. But you can probably pick and choose the pieces of the kit you want to buy and install.


    I hope all those blue arrows are included. Wouldn't want your airflow to get confused and go in the wrong direction.


    Really, it needs a humongous decal so you can't see out the windshield. That rear wing looks like takes care of your rear vision pretty good. The triangular exhaust pipe looks like it might have been a Masdaspeed castoff.

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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    I like it.


    Does it increase fuel econ, or does it increase handling?

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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    02/07/09

    @Plecostomus - A monument to failure: With 0 lift at highway speeds, it should handle as well as it does at 0 mph.
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    Image of B B
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Am I the only one who thinks this is a good idea? It combines sportiness and efficiency to make a fun and responsible car. Also, no loud exhaust. I don't know if I'd buy one, but it's much better option than a Prius.
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Maybe I'm confused, but is lift what Insight buyers are going to be worried about? I'd expect them to be more worried about drag.


    Looks nice though. I like the front end, though I could do without rear spoiler.

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/07/09

    @weatherman: Lift and drag are directly proportional. At steady state L=D (assuming no friction or other losses). So theoretically with zero lift there is also zero drag. I'm assuming this is what they were after, but "Zero Drag" doesn't sound as good for marketing.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    02/07/09

    @engineerd - fighting zombies one sign at a time: Can't be turning off the critical blown tranny market
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    Image of Jellodyne Jellodyne
    02/07/09

    @engineerd - fighting zombies one sign at a time: No, this is not zero drag, its just generating enough downforce with the body kit to counteract the lift generated by the natural shape of the body. You pay for both the beneficial and negative lift, so there's more drag than the standard body, assuredly.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/07/09

    @Jellodyne: That was what I thought at first, and in reality it is probably true. Which would kind of make this whole body kit stupid since it would hurt gas mileage.


    @Van Sarockin: Oooh, good point. That is a big demographic.

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    Image of targataco targataco
    02/08/09

    @engineerd - fighting zombies one sign at a time: At steady state, Lift = Weight, Drag = Thrust...lift and drag are orthogonal vectors. But yes, they are proportional. Parasitic drag should be a bigger concern than lift induced drag though, or rather where parasitic drag and lift-induced drag are equal (this is where drag is minimuzed). Here is the lift to drag relationship for lift-induced drag: Cdi = (Cl^2) / (pi * AR * e). This is for a finite wing (so it's a little out of place for a car), but the same principles apply. AR is aspect ratio (span^2/area), e is how close to an elliptical wing the surface is. An elliptical wing minimizes drag due to lift, but is not always chosen for other reasons (usually stall characteristics on an aircraft).
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    02/08/09

    @targataco: I think my mind just esploded.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/08/09

    @targataco: Holy crap, 5 years of engineering school just came rushing back. Thanks for the refresher. You get a heart clicky, too, my geeky friend.


    FYI...I have an aerospace engineering degree, but have been functionally a mechanical engineer ever since graduating. Lift and drag haven't played a big part of my career although I studied them ad nausium in school.

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    Image of Peter S. Peter S.
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Not coming to the US? Environmental ricers everywhere shed a tear...
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    02/07/09

    @Peter S.: ...All 3 of them.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    What's its 'Ring time?


    Also, with that aero kit wouldn't the smug factor go down? Or would it stay the same but with added ricer factor?

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    Image of QADude QADude
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Where the "Type-R" sticker? They also forgot the fart cannon.
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    Image of The Auto Insider The Auto Insider
    02/07/09

    @QADude: No, the fart cannon's there. It's just silent but deadly.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    02/07/09

    @The Auto Insider: Just like lady farts.
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    Image of Maxichamp Maxichamp
    02/07/09

    In reply to 2010 Mugen Zero-Lift Honda Insight: Photos, Video And No Lift!
    Needs more stickers to make it go faster.
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    Image of Comrade Clockwork Comrade Clockwork
    11/11/08

    In reply to LA Auto Show Site Tips Us Off To 332 HP Rating For Nissan 370Z
    Is it just me or does this thing have a nasty under bite. My Rx-8 is a little awkward ugly but this looks too disjointed.
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    11/12/08

    @Speed8: Plus your RX8 doesn't drive like its doors are filled with concrete. I'll second the awkward ugly sentiment, though.
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    11/11/08

    In reply to LA Auto Show Site Tips Us Off To 332 HP Rating For Nissan 370Z
    it's more 240Z shaped with a longer nose, which looks good now that I see it (not so bulldog) but if only you could get rid of those stupid corners of the lights. If I bought one I'd cover up those hookthings on the lights with a body-coloured piece of plastic.


    I can see the 240Z in this one... reminds me of the 240Z concept from some years ago

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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    11/11/08

    In reply to LA Auto Show Site Tips Us Off To 332 HP Rating For Nissan 370Z
    There were a couple of valve events at the last LeMons.
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