The more I know about this car, the less outrageous its price tag becomes. Still not the prettiest or the fastest or the most luxurious or the most desirable, its little foibles (all in a good way) and that sound (THAT SOUND!!!) is starting to win me over.
@Pessimippopotamus: I agree, the sound is insane but I can't say I like it. It's not for everybody, that's for sure, although it's obvious that it is an amazing engine. And I'm not sure if you are referring to the small-block Chevy-powered Bizzarrini cars, which also sound awesome, or the engine that powers the car in the video above, but I'm gonna assume it's the latter... so...
@Pessimippopotamus: Agreed, it sounds totally mathed out and digitized. Listening to that I felt like I had Gran Turismo playing in the background. Video game sounds... just a little too perfect.
@Naters4: You know what though? The Italians do the same. There are all sorts of things every car maker does, like program in misfires on throttle-lift, just for the sounds that it makes. People expect an engine to sound a certain way, and the audio engineers try to make everything match up.
@Pessimippopotamus: Yes they are soulless in a way, they are a subtle and functional people, I lived there a while. But I bet if you look closely and drive one it will be a Zen like experience.
@Tyson: Well, Bizzarrini doesn't make engines anymore, and yes. Modern supercar manufacturers tune the engine notes, but I don't quite think that even just 1 or 2 decades ago, they tuned the engines by measuring the frequencies or developing sound paths for the engine note to get into the cabin. It's too pedantic to be truely soulful.
And yes. Obviously following that logic, modern Italian cars are going to sound less soulful than the classic ones. I don't think anyone can deny that.
@Pessimippopotamus: Modern cars are missing (as is the case of this Muira) the deep throated intake of 6 dual Webers with tuned velocity stacks. Fuel injection is just not going to create the funky kind of combustion that you get from those air swallowing beasts, with a tuned or not tuned exhaust.
I hate it when I get something stuck in my dragon eye...
BTW sounds great, although I normally remove the accousting dampening "tanks" and other unnecessary items from my intakes. I like to hear those pulses in concert with the exhaust.
@Otto Suksumake: Actually, they do. Ferrari recognizes that sound is one of the most important aspects of their cars, and they spend as much time tuning the exhaust note as they do tuning other major elements of the car.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I remember reading a blurb in Motor Trend where it was said that Ferrari frequently sacrifices some degree of engine efficiency just to get the right sound. Again, I don't know how true that is, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was true.
@Tanshanomi: I think the sound deadening is for road noise and then they pipe in some engine noise for the enthusiast models only, because who wants to hear a VW I-5 or a Mustang V-6?
now... will you have to PROVE you own an LFA to get a replacement CF hood prop, or will any schmuck (like me) with several hundred dollars be able to walk into their friendly lexus parts dept and buy one? #lexuslfa
Gas struts are totally the wrong thing for this car. For one thing, you can't easily make one in carbon fiber. But here's the clincher:
Gas struts wear out. Just sitting around they slowly lose their charge over time. That's physics, can't change it. And just sitting around, the prop rod keeps on being a prop rod. It weighs about the same as a single gas strut - a carbon fiber one probably weighs less - and right there you've got a weight savings. One prop rod displaces two heavy, fallible gas struts.
Is a prop rod fallible? Sure. It can rust into nothingness - oops, not this one. It can bend and break under load - oops, you'd have to do something stupid, like bend the car around a phone pole to do that. It can pop out of the catch hole and drop the hood on your head - oops, that's gonna leave a mark. But with $400K invested, you're probably not going to lift the hood outside of your climate-controlled, hermetically sealed, Mafia insured eighteen-space garage. So no wind. The Mafia wouldn't allow it.
At 88 miles an hour, the two solenoid cases pop out of the Alien intake and start eating the oil coolers. #lexuslfa
@Ryanrule: Any car that cost more than $20k shouldn't have a prop rod. That is one of the things that really pissed me off about the wife's Trailblazer, a $34k (sticker) vehicle that uses a damn metal broom stick to hold up the hood. I've driven GM vehicles built from 1973-2004 and it is the only one that can't hold the hood up. Even the lowly G-bodies got proper hood hinges with springs. #lexuslfa
@skaycog: I'm personally a fan of the matte black look. Mainly because I can apply it with a rattle can to my freshly ground, previously rusted 1991 civic hatchback.
I guess that looks nice-but if I was buying a 400k car I'd expect a bit higher tec to hold up the hood than the CF version of a broom stick. This is like having forged titanium handles for your hand-cranked windows. #lexuslfa
@ProstWest: An F40 owner is tugging his rope because he bought and paid for a racing car with license plates, i.e. virtually no human comforts that might sully the power/weight ratio. Plexiglass windows (the early models had sliding door windows), no sound deadening, no carpeting, no power steering or brakes, full racing seats, and etc.-basically no amenities other than AC.
The LFA is designed for and marketed to someone looking for high performance as well as all the highest-tech and greatest creature comforts that his 400,000.00 can buy. Your analogy is like comparing a Veyron to a Le Mans Prototype. Other than that, it was....perfect. #lexuslfa
@powermatic: No, my analogy was like comparing an ultra high performance street car to an ultra high performance street car. Is it perfect to invoke the zenith of Maranello's efforts when discussing a car from the company that brought us the Paseo? Likely not, but let's face it- the Toyota buyer who just left 400 large at the dealership is not checking his own washer fluid. Therefore the engineers made a smart, easy decision and spec'ed the epitome of lightweight engine-bay access technology: the prop rod. Enzo's boys came to the same conclusion, albeit as part of a package that compromised a great deal more than the LFA in areas that actually affect the driver's comfort. #lexuslfa
@powermatic: All right, let me try again, with your gracious encouragement. The car should have a prop rod because it's faster that way. The prospective owner is not negatively impacted by economizing both weight and expenditure in this design area. #lexuslfa
@bzr: Wow. The transparent hood would be a great canvas for some frosted glass etching. Maybe "turbo" tastefully etched diagonally across the entire hood?
@tempesjo: dear god no. im not a fan, of transparent hoods. heres an idea, take your regular hood off if you need to show off your engine bay to the world. #lexuslfa
@autocannibal: But your idea wouldn't cost any money, and goes against the whole foundation of this industry, which is tricking people into buying ridiculous "performance upgrades" for their cars. #lexuslfa
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Now, I just need to find that money somewhere.
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I can't ever imagine Bizzarrini trying to break down engine notes into numbers and algorithms.
And I don't like how it sounds. But it is how I would imagine how a high revving Yamaha engine to sound.
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See my comment below about just how great high-revving Yamaha engines can be.
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And yes. Obviously following that logic, modern Italian cars are going to sound less soulful than the classic ones. I don't think anyone can deny that.
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BTW sounds great, although I normally remove the accousting dampening "tanks" and other unnecessary items from my intakes. I like to hear those pulses in concert with the exhaust.
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Ferraris dont need that...
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I don't know if it's true or not, but I remember reading a blurb in Motor Trend where it was said that Ferrari frequently sacrifices some degree of engine efficiency just to get the right sound. Again, I don't know how true that is, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was true.
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Might as well play a throttle-angle influenced V12 soundtrack over the speakers. Would be cheaper than pipes.
#tips
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Gas struts wear out. Just sitting around they slowly lose their charge over time. That's physics, can't change it. And just sitting around, the prop rod keeps on being a prop rod. It weighs about the same as a single gas strut - a carbon fiber one probably weighs less - and right there you've got a weight savings. One prop rod displaces two heavy, fallible gas struts.
Is a prop rod fallible? Sure. It can rust into nothingness - oops, not this one. It can bend and break under load - oops, you'd have to do something stupid, like bend the car around a phone pole to do that. It can pop out of the catch hole and drop the hood on your head - oops, that's gonna leave a mark. But with $400K invested, you're probably not going to lift the hood outside of your climate-controlled, hermetically sealed, Mafia insured eighteen-space garage. So no wind. The Mafia wouldn't allow it.
At 88 miles an hour, the two solenoid cases pop out of the Alien intake and start eating the oil coolers. #lexuslfa
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+1 on the gas struts.
Nothing like having marginal ones and finding today was the day it was too cool to hold the hood up when a 2 mph breeze touched it.
/learned not to place hand in hood's travel without a broomstick as a backup hood prop...the hard way #lexuslfa
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Supercars are NOT reliable.
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This was done for weight alone. And it passed the cost-benefit analysis algorithm that Toyota doubtless subject the entire car to. #lexuslfa
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pfft
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Civic dx?
Is there any other kind, baby? #lexuslfa
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The LFA is designed for and marketed to someone looking for high performance as well as all the highest-tech and greatest creature comforts that his 400,000.00 can buy. Your analogy is like comparing a Veyron to a Le Mans Prototype. Other than that, it was....perfect. #lexuslfa
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vaya con dios #lexuslfa
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Wow. #lexuslfa
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@tempesjo: No, you'll have to get the transparent hood for that! Adds madd street cred too, yo. #lexuslfa
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