@FP - missing Pete and the SHOwagon: I was surprised by the car myself. It doesn't suck. I was all lathered up to throw rocks at it and I couldn't. The interior isn't my flavor, but the car itself isn't bad, it's no rocket ship, but it's a perfectly adequate hybrid appliance for the target buyers.
@beercheck - Commentin' Dirty: I don't think anyone wants to read how a car is above someone's budget or not targeted for their demographic.
It presumes that the information is relevant to the article or readership, that all cars should be built for the commenter, and/or that no one realizes truisms (e.g. suvs/hybrids/cars with leather are overpriced/handle badly/are built on the same platform as the nonluxury model).
@mr_dude:
Then why do I buy/read stereo/bike/gear mags packed with all sorts of stuff that are way out of my budget?
A) Because it's nice to dream and B) Good to know what is possible in car design/build without restricting myself to the Honda (not Acura) line of fine automotive appliances (yes, I own 2 Hondas).
You know, there is a site you might like run by the Consumers Union.
@Al Navarro: Oh I'm all about taking Dupont Registry into the bathroom at lunch, but I wouldn't then write a letter to the editor saying the Zonda is a terrible commuter car.
I'm all about snark, conversation, and off-topic stuff. But some of these threads are very self-centered, "I can't/won't buy that car so why the hell is it being made?"
@mr_dude: I weigh four hundred pounds and have five special-needs children who I drive daily to different state capitals from my mountain-top home, how dare Toyota make a car that doesn't cater to me personally? Also I can't spend more than seven hundred dollars on a vehicle...
@weatherman: I would say "I see what you did there", but the irony is so deeply rooted in that statement that I'm not sure if you're being serious or not
@weatherman: I hope this does well. If car makers become more confident that hybrids that look like normal cars are commercially viable, they will begin to make hybrid cars that are not just green badges. Eventually, there will be hybrid cars that appeal to enthusiasts or people who are not specifically shopping for hybrid cars.
Interesting....that is only $33k more than what I am looking to spend on a car right now...I think I will head down to the dealer and see what kind of deal they can make.
I wonder if I opt to sell back the whole interior and use a 3 gallon bucket for a seat if we can get it down to a more reasonable price.
I can't comment on the fuel savings or the driving experience, but having sat in one of these, I can say that the interior fit and finish exceeded my expectations.
But the exterior still looks like a Corolla to me.
I've seen one of these in person and photos do not do it justice. It really is not pretty.
The design is too nose heavy, like the body was slid backward on the chassis. The fake wing windows clash with the fake kink in the rear side glass. The fender flares try to mask the slab sided look of the body, plus they flat-out copied the 5-series. The fake Altezzas look 1998 fake.
It was difficult to find an attractive angle of this car. Maybe rear 3/4 view. By comparison, the Fusion is handsome and well proportioned. This Lexus has shapes in all the wrong places.
It's ugly piece of techno-ware, and at $35K you will never make up the difference with a 5-speed Corolla XRS, but there's a few good ideas and best of all it's car, not a freaking crossover.
If only it was a wagon, I would consider this car. Really. It may have a low Jalop score, but it's not that kind of car anyway.. For what it is it is pretty good, but not a wagon.. and maybe also ugly.
btw are those eco materials used and the hand stitched leather a strange combination?
Oh Ben, you had to test drive a Lexus Hybrid? I can just see how this one went down. Roy Wort sitting in his office in his newest big-boy suit, pretending to puff on a cigar, gets handed a set of keys by the obligatory white-jacketed lab assistant (who then vanishes off-screen right).
"Mother of FUCK, a Lexus! I knew all that ass-kissing I did to those Toyota execs would pay off eventually! Finally, we got a... wait, a what? An HS250h? What the fuck is that?"
Ray gets up, goes over to the window of his office on the second floor of the Gawker Central Command skyscraper, and peers out, pressing the button on the remote to try and spot the flashing lights.
"That thing? FUCK it's ugly! Someone stuck the grille from a Ford Fusion on an old Corolla! I ain't driving that. Someone send in the Intern-Boy who's supposed to be polishing my socks!"
The door opens and a timid-looking young Peon in a mismatched sweater-vest ensemble peers in. "Um, sir? Didorosi is off playing with his Fiesta, remember?"
"SHIT. I'll never talk him out of a Fiesta and into that pile of dog crap. Who else do we have?"
"Well," the peon replies carefully, "There's Pete? He's down at the bottom of the masthead..."
"Have you seen the size of that fucker? He'd crush me like a bug. Who else?"
"Krewson?"
"Good luck. You ever seen him do anything productive? He's too busy reading io9."
"Arnold?"
"Doesn't actually exist, I made him up so I could collect a second paycheck."
"Murilee?"
"Are you kidding me? You think that sexy bitch would ever let me get into those panties if I made her drive an ugly piece of shit like that?"
Nervously, the Peon realizes he's running out of options. "Wes?"
"Have you seen that ass? I can't do that to him."
"Ben?"
"Hey... that fucker owes me money from that time I let him buy me lunch and I had to pay for my own martinis! Perfect. BEN! get your ass in here! I've got a treat for you, m'boy. I was just given a beautiful new luxury car that needs to be reviewed. It's brand new on the market, and it's jam-packed with some of the hottest new technology. This thing is guaranteed to be turning some heads on Hollywood Boulevard this year, and I'm sure every sexy young celebrity is going to want to be seen in it!"
Ben, appearing in the doorway, looks excited as he's tossed the keys. "Damn, that sounds pretty fuckin' awesome. What have we got? A Lexus? No shit! Is it the IS-F? The LS600?"
"No, my boy, better than that. Have a look out the window!"
"What? That tacky piece of shit? Goddammit, can't Hardigree do this?"
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It presumes that the information is relevant to the article or readership, that all cars should be built for the commenter, and/or that no one realizes truisms (e.g. suvs/hybrids/cars with leather are overpriced/handle badly/are built on the same platform as the nonluxury model).
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Then why do I buy/read stereo/bike/gear mags packed with all sorts of stuff that are way out of my budget?
A) Because it's nice to dream and B) Good to know what is possible in car design/build without restricting myself to the Honda (not Acura) line of fine automotive appliances (yes, I own 2 Hondas).
You know, there is a site you might like run by the Consumers Union.
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I'm all about snark, conversation, and off-topic stuff. But some of these threads are very self-centered, "I can't/won't buy that car so why the hell is it being made?"
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The Lexus Ennui to Remember Sales Event. Going on right now at your area Lexus dealer.
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Alphamazing...get that chart ready, because Ash may have pole so far today....
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I wonder if I opt to sell back the whole interior and use a 3 gallon bucket for a seat if we can get it down to a more reasonable price.
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But the exterior still looks like a Corolla to me.
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The Corolla's hideous. This is merely bland, aside from Sally (That Grille).
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The design is too nose heavy, like the body was slid backward on the chassis. The fake wing windows clash with the fake kink in the rear side glass. The fender flares try to mask the slab sided look of the body, plus they flat-out copied the 5-series. The fake Altezzas look 1998 fake.
It was difficult to find an attractive angle of this car. Maybe rear 3/4 view. By comparison, the Fusion is handsome and well proportioned. This Lexus has shapes in all the wrong places.
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btw are those eco materials used and the hand stitched leather a strange combination?
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"Mother of FUCK, a Lexus! I knew all that ass-kissing I did to those Toyota execs would pay off eventually! Finally, we got a... wait, a what? An HS250h? What the fuck is that?"
Ray gets up, goes over to the window of his office on the second floor of the Gawker Central Command skyscraper, and peers out, pressing the button on the remote to try and spot the flashing lights.
"That thing? FUCK it's ugly! Someone stuck the grille from a Ford Fusion on an old Corolla! I ain't driving that. Someone send in the Intern-Boy who's supposed to be polishing my socks!"
The door opens and a timid-looking young Peon in a mismatched sweater-vest ensemble peers in. "Um, sir? Didorosi is off playing with his Fiesta, remember?"
"SHIT. I'll never talk him out of a Fiesta and into that pile of dog crap. Who else do we have?"
"Well," the peon replies carefully, "There's Pete? He's down at the bottom of the masthead..."
"Have you seen the size of that fucker? He'd crush me like a bug. Who else?"
"Krewson?"
"Good luck. You ever seen him do anything productive? He's too busy reading io9."
"Arnold?"
"Doesn't actually exist, I made him up so I could collect a second paycheck."
"Murilee?"
"Are you kidding me? You think that sexy bitch would ever let me get into those panties if I made her drive an ugly piece of shit like that?"
Nervously, the Peon realizes he's running out of options. "Wes?"
"Have you seen that ass? I can't do that to him."
"Ben?"
"Hey... that fucker owes me money from that time I let him buy me lunch and I had to pay for my own martinis! Perfect. BEN! get your ass in here! I've got a treat for you, m'boy. I was just given a beautiful new luxury car that needs to be reviewed. It's brand new on the market, and it's jam-packed with some of the hottest new technology. This thing is guaranteed to be turning some heads on Hollywood Boulevard this year, and I'm sure every sexy young celebrity is going to want to be seen in it!"
Ben, appearing in the doorway, looks excited as he's tossed the keys. "Damn, that sounds pretty fuckin' awesome. What have we got? A Lexus? No shit! Is it the IS-F? The LS600?"
"No, my boy, better than that. Have a look out the window!"
"What? That tacky piece of shit? Goddammit, can't Hardigree do this?"