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    Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids

    Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics

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    Image of jedchev jedchev
    09/10/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    This car has what it takes. All of the other hybrids are uglier, more expensive and slower than their rivals. People buy them to pay their penance for the sins of big, bad society. Like a hairshirt or a cilice, a Prius fulfills the mortification role in the environmentalist religion.

    With the Fisker, you have a car that's competitively priced compared to a Panamera or a Quattroporte, looks better than both and doesn't shirk in the horsepower department. Hooray for making a hybrid that isn't an automotive Purgatory.
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    skierpage promoted this comment jedchev was starred jedchev was unstarred
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    09/10/09

    @jedchev: Ooh, you're such a drama queen. One would expect the most economical and least-polluting new car on the road (besides a Tesla Roadster) to be a tiny two-seater like the Smart fortwo or a rolling plastic experiment, and then indeed committed environmentalists would be the main customers. Instead, it's a mid-size reasonably-priced 5-passenger high-tech practical hatchback appliance that's one of the most reliable cars in surveys. "Purgatory" is a strange adjective for it.

    In 2010 people will finally be able to spend more to get a more economical car. Choice is good.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    Wait. Wasn't this posted yesterday? The hamsters powering the Matrix must be getting hungry again.
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    Image of Fletch Lives Fletch Lives
    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    How can it possible take 6 seconds for a 400Hp car with a ton of torque to get to 60. Something is wrong there.
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    Turboner promoted this comment Fletch Lives was starred Fletch Lives was unstarred
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    09/09/09

    @Fletch Lives: Exactly what I was thinking. More torque than many supercars (more torque than 3 veyrons?), or more torque than most supercars? It doesn't matter how you read it, it should be faster. My wife's car does 0-60 in six seconds ffs.
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    Image of Jones Foyer Jones Foyer
    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    Plug-in hybrid numbers seem like a cheat to me, like getting parking at the top of Pike's Peak and taking advantage of potential energy to get numbers at the bottom of the hill. What are the mileage numbers without plugging it in? That's what I want to know.
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    skierpage promoted this comment Jones Foyer was starred Jones Foyer was unstarred
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    09/09/09

    @Jones Foyer: Plug-in numbers aren't a cheat, if your driving is all-electric mode they really are dirt cheap to run and produce less emissions overall. But MPG equivalent, cost per km, and CO2 numbers are stupid for all-electric mode. The testable figures are how many kWh it takes to go 10 miles and the all-electric range, both for city and highway cycles. That will tell people if all-electric mode will work for them. People know their electricity cost per kWh and their utility provider should provide CO2 emissions per kWh.

    Once the engine runs there are many questions and none have simple answers. Your "What are the mileage numbers without plugging it in?" presumably means the EPA runs the car at a constant speed until the battery is depleted and the engine turns on, then they measure MPG on conventional city and highway cycles. That's very useful, but the details are mind-numbingly complex (Google "SAE J1711").
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    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    What's with the .2?

    They must have been incredibly anal with their testing regimen if they're reporting to the tenth of a gallon. Why would you ever do that? If I hear a flat "67 MPG", that's essentially good for anything from 66.5 to 67.4... allowing a bit of wiggle room and "real world results may vary". 67.2 makes me take that number with a HUUUUGE grain of salt - surely I'll never recreate whatever scenario provided that exact number during whatever phase of the moon.

    What next? Pissing contests over mileage to the .001 gallon?

    Decimal places belong in lap times, not economy ratings.
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    09/09/09

    @Goingincirclez: suspect is the conversion of 3.5L/100KM (the European way of measuring fuel economy) to MPG
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    Image of GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls
    09/09/09

    @MyDinnerWithAndreDawson: Hmm. Good thought, thanks. Still, even if that were the case, I would round the figure even (as per reasons I stated above).
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    Fisker may have the edge now but I'm sure the official EPA numbers will be cut. As far as styling, it is a sharp looking sedan.
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    I wouldn't buy one even if it got 100mpg and had a fellate me while I drive option. Not only because it's uglier than a pile of flaming cat diarrhea but it's so expensive that returning your investment on fuel economy is nearly impossible. The same goes for the Volt or any Tesla. Sure, all of the Hollywood hipster douche-canoes are going to want one but how relevant to actual society is their opinion anyway?
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    Pew Pew BOOM promoted this comment Edited by aSoundofSleep-less nights at 09/09/09 4:14 PM aSoundofSleep-less nights was starred aSoundofSleep-less nights was unstarred
    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/09/09

    @aSoundofSleep Part Douchecanoe: I really don't have much to say about this, I just wanted to tell you that I damn near had tears in my eyes after reading this. Welcome back.
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    09/09/09

    @FP: Your Volvo is awesome! Anyway:
    Ha, thanks. Nice "Part Douchecanoe" addition you have there.
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    09/09/09

    In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
    You can't compare the fuel economy of a non-plug in Prius to that of a plug-in hybrid...
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    09/09/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: It's never been proven to me that you can't compare apples to oranges. Sure, it's not fair, but politicians do it all the time, why not automakers? Aren't they the same thing, afterall? ;)
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    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics
    They will reveal it by driving it out onto the stage and running over a dogma.
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    Image of TimTim TimTim
    07/23/09

    @engineerd misses Uncle Pete: I'm sure that would come back to haunt them.
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    07/23/09

    @engineerd misses Uncle Pete: Yeah, if they ever come out with a multiple speed transmission they should call it "paradigm shift".
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    Image of skierpage skierpage
    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics
    Change the grille and it's the handsomest big sports sedan. Nicer than the Panamerica or Rapide, cheaper, and more technologically interesting.

    New American car companies! This is a golden age, right?
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    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics

    It's actually quite faithful to the original 1987 concept drawing.
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    Scandinavian Flick -1000 club dropout promoted this comment GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls was starred GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls was unstarred
    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    07/23/09

    @goingincirclez: lolcage. Out of curiosity, is there a vehicle code rule against open wheel road cars? I can't remember if the Atom is street legal.

    Edit: Typo.
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    Scandinavian Flick -1000 club dropout promoted this comment Edited by mr_dude at 07/23/09 6:16 PM mr_dude was starred mr_dude was unstarred
    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    07/23/09

    @mr_dude: I have seen a couple of them driving around and a T-Rex as well as some other open wheeled vehicular objects, so I assume they are. I have a picture of one with California plates on my home computer. I will try to remember to post it.
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    07/23/09


    @mr_dude: Most states have laws against uncovered tires. But most also choose to enforce those laws primarily on trucks with mud tires sticking out past the fenders.
    The Atom is usually sold as a "gentleman's kit" if it's intended for street use, because registering as a kit car gets around a lot of pesky DOT regulations. I've seen a number of Atoms on the street here in Oregon, where they're particularly fussy about open wheels due to the weather and gravel they use in lieu of salt. Atoms and '32 roadsters aren't out in those conditions much so I think the fuzz lets it slide.
    There is also a fender kit available for the Atom, as seen on the Atom 500.
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    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics
    Speaking of Monterey, is anyone going to the Concours D'Lemons?
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    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics

    I hope the engine cackles.
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    Scandinavian Flick -1000 club dropout promoted this comment mr_dude was starred mr_dude was unstarred
    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    07/24/09

    @mr_dude: IMMA WARIO IMMA GONNA WEEEEN
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    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics
    Ooooh... I might have to find some way to make it out to this...

    I wonder if I can get Jalopnik to fund my event entry in exchange for some quality photos of the event... ;)
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    07/23/09

    In reply to Fisker Karma To Make Powered Debut At Monterey Historics
    In other Bay Area news, SGI's new server line will be unveiled at the History of Computing museum in Palo Alto. The new Joint Strike Fighter will debuted at a WWII airshow in Alameda.
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    Scandinavian Flick -1000 club dropout promoted this comment mr_dude was starred mr_dude was unstarred
    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    07/23/09

    @mr_dude: Interesting. I have been meaning to check out the History of Computing Museum for a while now. I might just walk over there and check it out.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    07/23/09

    @Scandinavian Flick -1000 club dropout: You can walk to some place from another place in the south bay? I guess they sprung up a downtown for the segway crowd.
    I haven't been, but am afraid it'll be an incessant barrage of comparisons between historic computing technology and current.
    I say take a flask and show up as Alan Turing in character.
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    07/23/09

    @mr_dude: It would be a long walk, but not impossible...

    Worst case senario; it sucks, and I go across the street and play pool or catch a movie.
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