Cramer is the CNBC's version of Rush "Windbag" Limbaugh.
His ass really should be in prison for some of what he's done, but the SEC is kinda lame in that area...though they got Martha Stewart for a $50K deal!
@diesel W123's don't die: Martha Stewart going to "jail" had nothing to do with insider trading. She went to jail for committing perjury, for lying under oath about insider trading.
They didn't do sh*t to her for insider trading, it was the lying that got her.
I feel strangely at peace knowing that I have never once watched this man pontificate on TV.. nor do I ever have the desire to.
Besides.. everyone already knows Cummins is full of win. You don't have a truck if it doesn't have a cummins in it.. and unlike the stock market.. cummins doesn't rely on fluff to turn a profit.. they instead rely on solid engineering to make some of the best diesel engines.. in the world...
Any corporation that is "too big to fail" and requires bailing out because not doing so would cause an economic catastrophe should be broken up into enough pieces to preclude this situation from ever happening again. I'd prefer the government just buy the company (market cap - just $2 billion) and bust the general into at least three first-lieutenant-sized pieces.
It's a contentious issue, do you spend money on saving an American icon or do you sell them off to the highest (most likely offshore -Chinese perhaps) bidder.
Personally I'd like to see GM saved and then single out the fuckers who are responsible for the mess, and make them the laughing stock of the country. Print their pictures in the paper. Or make a dodgy businessman register like you have for sex offenders.
They couldn't run a root in brothel, what are they doing running a major (formally largest) car manufacturer?
LandofMinos, Prediction, probability of procuring a poncy Prius for purchase. Piss off! was starred
LandofMinos, Prediction, probability of procuring a poncy Prius for purchase. Piss off! was unstarred
GM can SUCK MY BALLS. This crap couldn't have happened to a more deserving company. They were the original 0% financing WHORES and they have since dug the public into the hole they're in by giving up everything and anything they could just to keep people in their behemoth mobiles.
What do you expect when you continually whore yourself out to the public offering 0% money for 72 months, Employee pricing every damned time you turn around and HUGE SUV's that complete douchebags drive down the highway in with seating for 9 by themselves.
I hope they go under. One less manufacturer for the others to compete with.
I'm alright with massive unemployment and economic downturn. It beats the alternative... that is, even greater unemployment and economic downturn after they waste the bailout money and fail again. This line is particularly worrisome "GM's top management may need to go." MAY need to go? MAY???
It's not like they got here without any gvm't help. Seven years of easy finance from "easy Al" which encouraged people to move up the food chain when buying a new car/truck, and 30 years of refusing to raise fuel taxes when oil was under $10 to a level closer to what the rest of the developed world deemed reasonable thus encouraging even grannies & secretaries to buy huge trucks, are what got us here. Hell even Toyota builds its own monster P/U.
@3304HL: And who do you think has been paying the lobbyists to make sure that this is the state of affairs we find ourselves in? Them and the oil companies.
The auto industry has been keeping gas prices low, emissions/CAFE away from trucks, and has made heavy vehicles tax deductible precisely so that they can make a quick buck from big, easy to make vehicles.
They made their bed, and what more is they made us all sleep in it. Fuck them, it IS their fault.
There is nothing special about GM, let it die. Ford & Chrysler may pick up a few sales, & it might make those unions wake up to themselves, ie, if they dont change, Ford & Chrysler will go too. ONE has to be sacrificed to help the others.
I would agree with the earlier sentiment that nothing is in absolutes. I do think however, that if GM were allowed to go bankrupt, there would be some serious and possibly irreversible effects. Mainly in the short-term, but also in the long term.
I keep on hearing that management needs to be cut as part of whatever deal. How would this help? Nardelli and Mulally have been at their posts less than two years, and Wagoner, despite all the money lost, has transformed the company into making competitive vehicles.
@tad49: nothing special about GM? Just the fact that they're still the largest volume manufacturer in the world, huh? And Chrysler will not pick up any sales soon, I guarantee this. Cerberus wants out, and they are slowly finding their way out of the car business. What does that leave behind? A carcass for the rest of the auto companies to pick off of... which they don't want right now, because the market's so bad. (this goes for anyone saying that GM should be bought by a Chinese company as well- why not buy up Chrysler? It would be much easier, and start them off at a much smaller scale)
"Japan's industrial sector has failed to meet its cost of capital over the last 20 years, in large measure because the government has allowed capital-destroying companies to continue to operate. Had these companies been allowed to fail, Japan long ago could have flushed out its system and gotten back on the road to economic health. In the name of protecting jobs, Japan's economy has continued to sputter, punctuated by spectacular bankruptcies in cases where the facade could not hold up. The cost of propping them up has been much, much more economic pain. Japanese call the long economic downturn ushinawareta junen, the lost decade."
@Scaramanga: And yet Japan lives off it's profits from its industry in North America. We allow the siphoning of billions of dollars from the North American auto markets and we can't even get a chance to compete, by Japanese government actions. Just saying...
06/26/09
06/26/09
Stop market timing dewd.
06/26/09
His ass really should be in prison for some of what he's done, but the SEC is kinda lame in that area...though they got Martha Stewart for a $50K deal!
/used to be in the securities biz...glad I'm out
06/26/09
They didn't do sh*t to her for insider trading, it was the lying that got her.
I'm with you though, Cramer should be in jail.
06/26/09
Besides.. everyone already knows Cummins is full of win. You don't have a truck if it doesn't have a cummins in it.. and unlike the stock market.. cummins doesn't rely on fluff to turn a profit.. they instead rely on solid engineering to make some of the best diesel engines.. in the world...
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11/16/08
Personally I'd like to see GM saved and then single out the fuckers who are responsible for the mess, and make them the laughing stock of the country. Print their pictures in the paper. Or make a dodgy businessman register like you have for sex offenders.
They couldn't run a root in brothel, what are they doing running a major (formally largest) car manufacturer?
11/15/08
1) Take over FULL medical costs for all their retirees.
2) Cover ALL pension expenses for retirees.
3) Fully fund development of next gen. high capacity batteries for shared hybrid/elec. vehicle production.
The companies would be allowed to use their pension funds for tax-free $$$ infusion.
Chrysler might still die in the process, but GM/Ford could ride it out.
11/16/08
BTW, no one has mentioned that the EU is threatening WTO reprisals if the US bails out the domestics...
Boy howdy... I bet Obama is wondering whether or not he wants to ride this horse now that he bought it...
11/16/08
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11/15/08
What do you expect when you continually whore yourself out to the public offering 0% money for 72 months, Employee pricing every damned time you turn around and HUGE SUV's that complete douchebags drive down the highway in with seating for 9 by themselves.
I hope they go under. One less manufacturer for the others to compete with.
11/15/08
Ya know, goddamn GM, always producing giant SUVs for douchebags! Yep, I hope they burn for it!
11/15/08
Here's the rock-toting Semi Truck driver heading home for the day:
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/threadjack
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11/15/08
It's not like they got here without any gvm't help.
Seven years of easy finance from "easy Al" which encouraged people to move up the food chain when buying a new car/truck, and 30 years of refusing to raise fuel taxes when oil was under $10 to a level closer to what the rest of the developed world deemed reasonable thus encouraging even grannies & secretaries to buy huge trucks, are what got us here.
Hell even Toyota builds its own monster P/U.
It ain't all the industries fault...
11/16/08
The auto industry has been keeping gas prices low, emissions/CAFE away from trucks, and has made heavy vehicles tax deductible precisely so that they can make a quick buck from big, easy to make vehicles.
They made their bed, and what more is they made us all sleep in it. Fuck them, it IS their fault.
11/15/08
11/15/08
I keep on hearing that management needs to be cut as part of whatever deal. How would this help? Nardelli and Mulally have been at their posts less than two years, and Wagoner, despite all the money lost, has transformed the company into making competitive vehicles.
@tad49: nothing special about GM? Just the fact that they're still the largest volume manufacturer in the world, huh? And Chrysler will not pick up any sales soon, I guarantee this. Cerberus wants out, and they are slowly finding their way out of the car business. What does that leave behind? A carcass for the rest of the auto companies to pick off of... which they don't want right now, because the market's so bad. (this goes for anyone saying that GM should be bought by a Chinese company as well- why not buy up Chrysler? It would be much easier, and start them off at a much smaller scale)
11/14/08
[www.fool.com]
"Japan's industrial sector has failed to meet its cost of capital over the last 20 years, in large measure because the government has allowed capital-destroying companies to continue to operate. Had these companies been allowed to fail, Japan long ago could have flushed out its system and gotten back on the road to economic health. In the name of protecting jobs, Japan's economy has continued to sputter, punctuated by spectacular bankruptcies in cases where the facade could not hold up. The cost of propping them up has been much, much more economic pain. Japanese call the long economic downturn ushinawareta junen, the lost decade."
11/16/08
11/16/08
Just sayin'...