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jewce is fueled by sour gummy worms
11/13/09

In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
I wonder. I did the Rubicon trail in pre-pro AT Rubicon Unlimiteds and they did fine. Who MCM'd (cost cut) the tranny cooler? #jeepwrangler
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petersterncan
11/13/09

In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
This only affects the offroading Poseurs... seriously... that's what offroading with an Automatic Wrangler is... #jeepwrangler
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beercheck
11/13/09

@petersterncan: Baloney. Automatics have a lot of advantages when offroading. More than on the street. #jeepwrangler
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IppoJ
11/13/09

@beercheck: x2. ATs give much more control off road than a MT. Opposite on the street. #jeepwrangler
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petersterncan
11/13/09

@beercheck: Well I don't wanna believe you because I'm a manual transmission-promoting zealot.

Manuals for everything I say!!! #jeepwrangler
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beercheck
11/13/09

@petersterncan: As a default position, I can respect that. But when you're wheeling with your "I have a stick 'cause it's manly" and some dude with an AT cleans your clock overcoming an obstacle.... well, who's the poseur now...

(Full disclosure: I've been there.) #jeepwrangler
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petersterncan
11/16/09

@beercheck: The guy with the AT is still a poseur because the AT made it Too Easy. #jeepwrangler
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
11/13/09

In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
If I agree to marry the tranny, can I get the Jeep for free? #jeepwrangler
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Alfisted
11/13/09

@Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978: Only if you're willing to relocate. #jeepwrangler
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
11/13/09

@Alfisted: Utah's not that bad... #jeepwrangler
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slater
11/13/09

In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
Wait... a Chrysler with a transmission issue? #jeepwrangler
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Ben Wojdyla
11/13/09

@slater: I know! I was shocked too. #jeepwrangler
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jeepster4.0
11/13/09

In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
this is rather odd. i have never known any hardcore jeep people, the type to take their wranglers wheelin enough to cause a tranny issue to ever drive an auto... every jeep i have ever seen in situations where they actually need 4wd are manual, the way god intended. the jeep in 2wd can do almost anything required in any normal situation. im assuming that this recall applies to the people who see an inch of snow so they put it in 4wd. i hate those people! the give americans bad names.... #jeepwrangler
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jeepster4.0
11/13/09

@jeepster4.0: and even though it seems like a large number of wrangler owners are pretentious pricks who don't know what mud is, there are a lot of us that depend on their 4wd, especially when they are pulling an unfortunate truck buddy out of the mud. also, its fairly safe to say that anyone in an old jeep or a jeep with a decent amount of aftermarket or mud drives a manual, knows what they are doing, and needs a 4wd drive vehicle, and sometimes a winch. #jeepwrangler
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beercheck
11/13/09

@jeepster4.0: I've seen many automatic Jeeps offroad. Okay, "many" may not really be the best word, but many more than one might think.

Arguably, automatics have a lot more mechanical business existing in an off-road vehicle than an on-road vehicle. The downsides are extra weight and less throttle-braking going downhill in limited traction, but the advantages are manifold.
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Mr. M
11/13/09

@beercheck: +1. Not only does every wrangler owner I know take their heep off-road, they all rock automatics. Trying to worry about a clutch while trying to climb 4ft+ obstacles is a distraction you don't need.

Now, if they would just put out a new Grand actually worthy of the trail... #jeepwrangler
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beercheck
11/13/09

@Mr. M: Thank you. And amen. #jeepwrangler
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jeepster4.0
11/13/09

@beercheck: now that i think of it, im sure that there are legitimate uses for an auto off road, however, i have no experience and i have never personally seen an auto wrangler off road. in fact, i don't think i've ever even been in an auto wrangler. most curious... i would be concerned that an auto would shift when i wouldn't want it to. i use a lot of down shifting to control my speed off road. i must admit that most of my off road experience is in the woods on trails and not on just rocks. there are a lot of rocks on the trails, but its not the same. there might be large advantages to autos on rocks that im unaware of. #jeepwrangler
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jeepster4.0
11/13/09

@Mr. M: there are a disproportionate number of jeeps up here in vermont. it is by far one of the most popular vehicles. that being said, a number of them are younger and are driving jeeps because they are abundant and they inherited them from their parents. there are a decent amount of wranglers here that don't go off road, but there are also a decent number that do and from my experience, they are all manuals. and i have had 4ft+ obstacles that i've had to come off of and do again in a lower gear, it sucks, but its all i've ever known/seen. on the trails in vt, it seems like manuals are by far the more popular choice. it might not be that way everywhere. #jeepwrangler
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Mr. M
11/14/09

@jeepster4.0: Interesting. My opinion is rooted in personal experience. I've tried both on the trail, and greatly prefer the auto. Doesn't get in the way, and if you need a particular gear beyond just dropping it in 4-Lo, the gear selector will lock it in just fine.

That said, I'm in Texas, so maybe the southwest/Colorado/etc. is a bit different than Vermont. Still, wheeling seems like a good way to cook a clutch or three. Am I mistaken?

Also, in the interests of full disclosure, my current Jeep is a 5.9 Ltd. Yes, it goes off-road. But the manual vs. auto thing is somewhere down in the noise below "14-speaker stereo with heated leather seats" from where I'm sitting... #jeepwrangler
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jeepster4.0
11/14/09

@Mr. M: you are not mistaken, i have had clutch issues with my dads jk sahara unlimited manual. i have issues in reverse going up hill especially if there is any added weight. the 4dr jk platform is a lot heavier and while i haven't quite cooked it, i got it to smoke a little. i haven't had any issues in my '01 tj. it is much lighter and my straight six has more than enough low-end torque to get over most anything even if im a gear too high. i would also like to mention that i rev match when changing gears. that might also be a reason that i have not experienced many clutch/tranny issues.

i am also a diehard manual guy so that also obscures my judgment. most of my experience is in mud and on mountain trails. i do lose some momentum downshifting on steep hills but that becomes part of the experience. i have to get the right gear before i hit a big hill or else i won't make it. if there were more extreme obstacles to overcome, an auto might be more useful. the trails here and the mud are difficult but not extreme. i can do most of it using a stock wrangler with a winch. #jeepwrangler
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
11/13/09

In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
Once upon a time, an Italian made short work of the Rubicon and all the roads were straight and smooth after that. Who needs 4wd? #jeepwrangler
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Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
07/14/09

In reply to America's Ten Most Overpriced Vehicles
This is why I try to get my grandparents to consult me before buying a new car. They'll end up paying around MSRP for a crappy Caddilac or Lincoln. Luckily one set has bought Cadillacs for the past decade or so (DeVille/DTS one) and the other set has always had pickups and a car of sort, now they've up-graded to a RXus.
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UglyDuckCar
07/14/09

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b-b-b-b-b-but I got my caliber for $11k :(
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pres
07/14/09

@UglyDuckCar:

You got taken.
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mytdawg
07/14/09

In reply to UPDATE: Free Jeep Wrangler Marriage Proposal Gets More Strange
I wonder if you get a test drive before you buy... Gotta find out if that dog will hunt ya know.
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mytdawg
07/14/09

In reply to UPDATE: Free Jeep Wrangler Marriage Proposal Gets More Strange
Wranglers in the night, we need some rubber. These tires aren't right, let's try some others...
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techstar25
07/14/09

In reply to America's Ten Most Overpriced Vehicles
You could change the title of the article to "The Top 10 Used Vehicle Values". Part of the reason why the MSRP is too high is because these depreciate VERY fast, and therefore are some of the very best used car values. You could probably save 50% off the MSRP by getting a one-year-old used one.
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Hello Mister Walrus
07/14/09

@techstar25: It depends on what you are trying to say. Your statement and the article are opposites of each other. The article uses market value as the reference value and determines if a vehicle is overpriced by comparing it to MSRP (what the companies say it is worth). You are using MSRP as the reference value and determining which is highly discounted by looking at market value.

Also, if I am interpreting the article correctly, the market value refers to the price of a new vehicle, not a used one.
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cgarison
07/14/09

In reply to America's Ten Most Overpriced Vehicles
You forgot the chief advantage of a Grand Marquis is that it does look like a squad car and police have a tendency to ignore them on the highway. It is the the perfect stealth vehicle when combining comfort and touring ability with factor that you can set the cruise on any interstate highway at 13 MPH above the posted speed limit and not worry about a thing.

Don't like the handling, put on a set of P71 shocks and a set of Adco sway bars (front and rear). If you can stand a bit of engine noise, swap out the baffled intake for a P71 zip tube and install dual exhausts to get a little more from the car. Need even a bit more, swap out the MAF for the larger one on the P71 and flash the computer to make sure the car is not confused.

My new 2009 GrandMa is a wonderful car. In fact, it has such a presence on the highway that I have speeding cops in marked cruisers slow down when passing me. I don't care what Forbes says, this car is impressive and it commands respect. My 2003 Grand Marquis never had this kind of presence although it was equally as stealthy and ultimately ignored by police. It is a shame when the editors of Jalopnik do not understand the concept of driving a car that has nothing to prove to make a statement.
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Novaload
07/14/09

@cgarison: I have been arguing this for years. I have a 1997. It is just invisible--except at night, when it does cause traffic to slow down. At one point I wanted to get grille lights that said (backwards of course) "Not A Cop"
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drive_thru_disorder
07/14/09

@cgarison:

in other words:

Cop shocks.

Cop exhaust.

does it run good on regular gas Elwood?
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shmendo
07/14/09

@cgarison: I've always thought they'd be the best I-95 car. Just pick one up at an estate sale for cheap and add wheels, tires, shocks, exhaust, and a nice stereo. You're good to go or, since you are on I-95, you'd good not to go. The only problem for me would be the crappy front seat.
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cgarison
07/14/09

@drive_thru_disorder: Yep. It runs good on the 2009 version of regular gas.
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cgarison
07/14/09

@shmendo: What is the problem with a proper bench seat? It only took one trip to paradise with my girlfriend to convince her that I made a good decision by getting another land yacht. Just don't get carried away with the Armor All before heading out through the Poconos or Smokey Mountains using the back roads. (Bit of experience speaking there.)
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skitter
07/14/09

@cgarison: I'm almost sold on one. That's scary.
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shmendo
07/14/09

@cgarison: That's what the back seat is for! Or, you could put 3 buckets across the front like, what was the car?, a late 70's Simca or Matra?. She could sit right next to you, or you could put a chaperone in the middle
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cgarison
07/14/09

@shmendo: Back seat???? That is for those to be incarcerated and children in the SWB Panthers. Backseats are only usable in the LWB Crown Vic (Taxi Package) LWB Grand Marquis (Middle East only) Towncar and Towncar L (Ford factory stretch with 9" rear differential).
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eggwich del fiero
07/14/09

In reply to America's Ten Most Overpriced Vehicles
MSRP is so irrelevant in most new car-buying situations it should stand for Man Someone Really Paidthatmuch? Take the emotion out of buying a new car and you'll never approach MSRP.
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beercheck
07/14/09

@eggwich: Amen.
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Maymar
07/14/09

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For whatever reason, base Wranglers start at $20,000 up here. Considering that's mid-level econocar money, it just seems underpriced.
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P161911 probably shoudn't have
07/14/09

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This brings to mind my plan to attempt to profit from the cash for clunkers program. The Feds say the dealer will give me $4500 for my 88 F-150 that is worth about $1500. I'm trying to find a car that gets the mileage required for the $4500 and will allow me to sell it right after purchase for about $2000 less than I paid= $2500 profit for another old, but slightly better truck The bigger the rebates the better. Any suggestions?
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nataku8_e30
07/14/09

@P161911 now with M POWER!: Actually, you forgot to factor in the value of your F-150, so 4500 - 2000 depreciation - 1500 truck value = $1000 profit = may not be worth the hassle (especially since that 2000 depreciation will have to contain the TTL and any temporary insurance costs)
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beercheck
07/14/09

@P161911 now with M POWER!: My suggestion is to do more research. For example, unless you can prove you've owned the car for a full year (as I recall), it's not eligible.
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P161911 probably shoudn't have
07/14/09

@nataku8_e30: I was factoring that in, but forgot to do the math right in the post. The insurance is no problem, you get a 30 day pass from State Farm, title isn't too bad, tag tax is fairly cheap in GA too, maybe $200. The deal killer might be the sales tax, guess I could do it at an out of state dealer.
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nataku8_e30
07/14/09

@P161911 now with M POWER!: I'd be impressed if you can get a title in under 30 days. I think it's normally 4-6 weeks for me in TX, but I've had it take quite a bit longer when I lived in NY. You're basically going to have to buy something that barely sees any depreciation... I would guess Fit or Mini, and would lean toward Fit since it's an overall better car and is cheaper.
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