@Jokermanpaco: Really, it's already back down? A few days ago (Alabama) I saw it still about 30 cents above 87 gas. Which is still better than the 80+ cent premium a year ago.
Can you imagine an America where diesel fuel is cheaper than 87 octane, and where diesel versions of most cars are available at a surcharge of just $1k-$2k?
The Hess station down the stree from me has diesel at 3 cents a gallon cheaper than 87 octane. And the Mercedes E320 Bluetec has an MSRP of $1,000 more than the E350, before the tax credit for the diesel.
@goatrope: I'll be damned, the diesel premium HAS dropped a lot in the past couple months. It's about time, I had almost given up.
(note I said "versions of most cars"--obviously the two diesel cars we have are nice, but not exactly widespread. The E320's premium is definitely low, but it's almost apples and oranges to the fasters and still economical E350 gasser. Back when it was $1k above the E320 gasser, that was a downright steal!)
@Ash78: yes, yes i can. have you considered "America's Hat?"
you see here in Canada, Diesel has been around 10 to 13 cents than regular gas. I also think that it usually costs a couple of grand to upgrade to the TDI Jetta.
sad part is that there are next to no diesels driving around because hardly anyone can afford them. (BMW 330d, Mer R class, Jetta,)
also the oil burner stigma still haunts the majority. i am wishing and hoping and waiting the launch of the VW GTD (Diesel version of the GTI)
@leavethegun-takethecannoli: Apparently the diesel price runup had a lot to do with the switch to low sulfur, which coincided with a really cold winter and a run on home heating oil at the same time. I'm shocked it took so long to come back down.
I don't envy the logistics of the refiners. But it's not like they aren't compensated well!
@FuzzyPlushroom: I am the target audience, and they have one on display at West Edmonton Mall right now... every time I go there, I probably spend about a half hour drooling over it. They really are quite striking in person.
The $80k price tag is also quite striking, however.
Speaking of Jags, I wonder how that big boy did at Lemons yesterday? It sure looked cool. Jags were just mean to have a couple of yards of hood. Not that this is bad--the front is very nice. I hope the center pieces on the left/right vents spring out like daggers--they kinda look like they might and that would be way cool.
Hello guys, this car is primarily aimed at the Euro market, where Diesel doesn't have the cost disadvantages we have here in the US. So it's a good deal for them, not so much for us.
@The Name's Ash78, Housewares: Huh, and I thought PA taxed the crap out of diesel. $1.65 gas versus $2.35 diesel this morning is approaching economic equilibrium!
@The Name's Ash78, Housewares: The major changes in the refining techniques for diesel, in order to get to the ultra-low sulfur content levels required by recent legislation, are the reason. The hardware to do that has to be paid for. We are now paying for it. No big deal to me really. We are still paying much less than most people around the world, and getting a much much superior diesel product. Besides, the economics of the change are the least important reason to go diesel. Biodiesel is naturally lower in sulfur. So developing vehicles with high output diesel engines will allow us to transition to algae diesel or sewage diesel bioproducts. Also, diesel is higher in specific energy content, so it is a better fuel than other liquid alternatives. Gasoline is going away. We have to develop something else, and the sooner the better.
@Gearhead_42: Yeah, that one station was the first full-dollar difference I've seen in my lifetime. Apparently the US is still exporting a lot of its diesel to Europe and Asia, creating a domestic shortage for a product we make. And you gotta love the fact that our entire ground transportation infrastructure is based on diesel. As a small example of that, my Christmas UPS shipping ran arond $85 this year (normally under $50).
I had heard the 2005-06 heating oil shocks had a lot to do with it, but didn't realize the ULSD hardware had such large "sunk costs" in them.
You mention "superior product," but I read recently that even the revised ULSD in the US is a lower cetane than standard Euro pump diesel.
My biggest concern is that, right now, the % premium on diesel fuel is such that very few will be enticed to buy a diesel car. It's pretty crucial toward the technology's acceptance, as VW and BMW are both pushing their diesels pretty hard. When the economics don't work out, the average joe can't be bothered with it. When gas was $4 and diesel was $5, it was a little more understandable (not that I'm wishing for that again!)
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And what the Bobby going to do with all this new found speed, he doesn't have a gun to shoot the criminal with when he catches him.
Where's the Bobbies funny hat.
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Just gassed up here in metro ATL. 87 octane was $2.23 at Murphy (Walmart). Diesel was $2.03. 'Round these parts that spread is common.
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Me, neither. Dammit.
05/27/09
The Hess station down the stree from me has diesel at 3 cents a gallon cheaper than 87 octane. And the Mercedes E320 Bluetec has an MSRP of $1,000 more than the E350, before the tax credit for the diesel.
But then again, Ash78, I live in America.
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(note I said "versions of most cars"--obviously the two diesel cars we have are nice, but not exactly widespread. The E320's premium is definitely low, but it's almost apples and oranges to the fasters and still economical E350 gasser. Back when it was $1k above the E320 gasser, that was a downright steal!)
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you see here in Canada, Diesel has been around 10 to 13 cents than regular gas. I also think that it usually costs a couple of grand to upgrade to the TDI Jetta.
sad part is that there are next to no diesels driving around because hardly anyone can afford them. (BMW 330d, Mer R class, Jetta,)
also the oil burner stigma still haunts the majority. i am wishing and hoping and waiting the launch of the VW GTD (Diesel version of the GTI)
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And yes, diesel has come down where I live as well. It is now a few cents cheaper than 87. 87 is at $2.55-$2.65 today.
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I don't envy the logistics of the refiners. But it's not like they aren't compensated well!
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12/29/08
The bad sort of "shocked".
At least we're not the target audience.
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The $80k price tag is also quite striking, however.
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Not that this is bad--the front is very nice. I hope the center pieces on the left/right vents spring out like daggers--they kinda look like they might and that would be way cool.
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I had heard the 2005-06 heating oil shocks had a lot to do with it, but didn't realize the ULSD hardware had such large "sunk costs" in them.
You mention "superior product," but I read recently that even the revised ULSD in the US is a lower cetane than standard Euro pump diesel.
My biggest concern is that, right now, the % premium on diesel fuel is such that very few will be enticed to buy a diesel car. It's pretty crucial toward the technology's acceptance, as VW and BMW are both pushing their diesels pretty hard. When the economics don't work out, the average joe can't be bothered with it. When gas was $4 and diesel was $5, it was a little more understandable (not that I'm wishing for that again!)
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It's called SoylentDiesel, goddammit; how are we ever supposed to get the name to catch on if even Jalops don't use it!