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    Senna, Fangio and Brabham: Three Drivers, Eleven World Titles

    Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck

    Sir Jack Stole the Clutch! Brabham-Daf Formula 3 Car!
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    Image of HammSammich HammSammich
    07/31/09

    In reply to Senna, Fangio and Brabham: Three Drivers, Eleven World Titles
    Great picture. Senna was an amazing driver, but it's hard to argue with the sheer insanity of Fangio, Brabham, or any other driver of the pre-downforce era. 27 drivers died in the 50's and 60's. This was the most dangerous sport in modern times, and these guys survived. Truly awe inspiring.
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    07/31/09

    @HammSammich: Absolutely. They were incredibly brave.
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    07/31/09

    In reply to Senna, Fangio and Brabham: Three Drivers, Eleven World Titles
    i love Fangio!
    Peter, thanks for the great photo and article.
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    Image of Peter Orosz Peter Orosz
    07/31/09

    In reply to Senna, Fangio and Brabham: Three Drivers, Eleven World Titles
    Here’s Senna driving the then-new Honda NSX flat out in a pair of white socks.
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    Image of IronicalBalls IronicalBalls
    07/31/09

    In reply to Senna, Fangio and Brabham: Three Drivers, Eleven World Titles
    When it comes to actual skill Senna is probably the most instinctive driver of our generation. From the era when turboed 1000bhp engines were linked with the analog controls and manual gearboxes. With one hand on the steering wheel with high Gs while changing gears. Yet his times in a car with 80s/90s aerodynamics is up there with the modern flappy paddle diffused Brawnified F1 cars.
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    07/31/09

    @IronicalBalls: I think the times have more to do with the rules than anything intrinsic with Senna. Don't get me wrong, he was a great driver, but there were others in his time that could match him. I feel his Latin personality and the way he died often gives him a free pass. While Schumacher's failings are continuously bandied about, the fact that Senna had quite a few controversial moves (Monaco 1985, Portugal 1988, Suzuka 1990) is rarely mentioned. The assertion that had he lived after Imola 1994 he would've blitzed Schumacher and taken the title I find is rather unfounded. In the history of F1, no driver has come back from a 30 point deficit to win the title and Hill's 1994 title challenge was helped greatly by the FIA, who disqualified Schumacher from 25% of the races (England, 2 race ban after England, and Belgium).

    Having said that, Senna is one of F1's all time greatest drivers and possibly it's greatest instinctive driver ever, but he was simply that and not a god of racing as he is sometimes painted to be these days and he definitely had a ruthless edge to his racing.
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    07/31/09

    @LionZoo: Schumacher is better compared to Alain Prost: brains like a computer, with a hair less pure speed than Senna or Gilles Villeneuve. Schumacher and Prost shared outrageous levels of consistency and racecraft.
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    Image of LionZoo LionZoo
    07/31/09

    @Number_Six: Schumacher is certainly quite different from Senna in terms of driving style, but they shared a win at all costs mentality, which Prost had some of as well. Senna and Schumacher might be the two most ruthless drivers in F1 history and while that caused incidents, it's also who they are. If you take that away from them, I don't think they'd be nearly as successful as the same desire that fuels them to race to the edge of acceptable racecraft, and maybe even beyond, is also the edge that drives them to search for every last hundredth of a second on and off the racetrack.
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    07/31/09

    In reply to Senna, Fangio and Brabham: Three Drivers, Eleven World Titles

    JM Fangio in his Alfa Romeo 156 at the 1951 Spanish GP
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    07/31/09

    @SCROGGS!!!: Fangio at the 55 Belgian GP in a Mercedes W196
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    07/31/09


    @SCROGGS!!!:
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    @SCROGGS!!!: Fangio at the 57 French GP in a Maserati 250F.
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    07/31/09


    @SCROGGS!!!: Jack Brabham at the 59 French GP in a Cooper T51
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    07/31/09


    @SCROGGS!!!: Brabham at the 60 British GP in his Cooper T53
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    07/31/09

    @SCROGGS!!!: Sir Jack at the 66 German GP in a Brabham-Repco BT11
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    07/31/09


    @SCROGGS!!!: Sweet pics. And just for the sake of doing something just because I can, here's Fangio's legacy.
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    07/31/09


    @Mobius_1000_Club:
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    07/31/09

    @SCROGGS!!!: thanks scroggs! :) a good start for a bad morning.
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    07/31/09

    @SCROGGS!!!: That's gotta be a 158 but free pass b/c of that photo of Fangio at the French GP in the 250F. A no more sublime combo can be found.
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    Image of Ben Hoback Ben Hoback
    06/19/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    I want to express to the writing staff at Jalopnik that I really enjoy their "FEATURE" articles. They are numerous, regular in occurrence, and my favorites read like conversational technical briefings augmented with Pretty Pictures. Print media feel as of late, too... the article layout between the text and images puts the information in nice, ADHD-sized knowledge nuggets punctuated with car pr0n. Good $hit, gentlemen.
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    06/19/09

    @Ben Hoback: As the author of this particular feature, I'm very glad you enjoyed it.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Great work as usual, Peter. Rumor was a while back that Panoz was looking at developing a new LMP1 machine. Hopefully that's still the case.
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    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Isn't the Miata (and possibly the RX-7/8) accepted as a Front-Mid engined car? I suppose it demonstrates the principle well also.
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    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Here's a much better video showing the sheer awesomeness of the Panoz...


    I liked Don Panoz's take of front vs. mid/rear engined cars, "I've never seen a horse push a cart before. Why would I put by engine back there?" So ridiculous and American I love it.

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    Image of Al Navarro Al Navarro
    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Pretty much my favorite Scalextric car of all time is the Panoz in Visteon livery.
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    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    I wonder if it ever caused the drivers problems with the seating position so far back. Like visibility.
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    06/16/09

    @philibuster: I'm not sure about visibility, but I do remember hearing that some quirk of the aerodynamics basically tried to rip the driver's helmet off his head on the LMP-1. I would hope that this was corrected after a couple of races.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Excellent piece. Again.


    Which begs the question: Isn't it about time for Pete to suddenly, unceremoniously.....disappear?

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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Great read.


    Also, I've heard the odd proportions and thunderous yank sound have made the Panoz cars a crowd favorite at Le Mans, even among the French.

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    06/16/09

    @YankBoffin: It's nice to see something unusual in the sea of LMP-spec MR prototypes. The front-engine GT cars tend to be distinctive anyway...Gillet Vertigo, Lister Storm, Dodge Viper and so on.


    The Corvettes are also a French favorite...perhaps the name and the yellow color have something to do with it.

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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    Awesome as always Peter!
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    06/16/09

    In reply to Panoz Batmobile: Proof Front-Engined Race Cars Don't Suck
    You forgot to mention John Cooper. He was very important in establishing the mid engine as the norm.
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    06/16/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Syrax: in the third paragraph click pesky i think.
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    06/16/09

    @pj134: Dammit.
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