Don't forget the Big Dig in Boston. Using federal money for a local project, your tax dollars hard at work...for someone else! Thanks, guys.
And right after it opened, it started breaking, and leaking, and squashing people in their cars. Way to pick the lowest bidder! Your tax money hard at...oh, forget it.
I guess this was really a page for awe-inspiring and aesthetically remarkable structures, not aw-hell inspiring, underground structures.
In the States we seem to save our most remarkable infrastructural efforts for bridges.
My personal favorite, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel. It's damned long - I can't remember exactly how long, but you're on it long enough to get tired of it, I think over ten miles - and in at least one spot you dive under the water for a mile or so. Because of ships, you know. They can't dive to go under the bridge.
One wonders - wouldn't it have been cheaper to make the bridge taller for a while? Then the ships could go under. No need for bilge pumps and vent fans. Just saying.
Fine, as long as I don't have to pay for it. If they can find places to put them where they'll actually be used enough to offset their cost, build them.
Since private industry hasn't done that yet, in spite of the technology having been available for decades, I don't think there is a strong business case for them.
Another advantage of HSR is that if you’re a terrorist or an anarchist, you can cause major carnage with very little investment. A simple cow on the tracks would be devastating.
@Flathead Smith: using that as an arguement against high speed rail (in a sarcastic tone) is akin to saying we shouldn't be allowed to live and work in tall buildings, because they are far more efficient at allowing lots of people to die when the terrorists blow them up. #rants
But commuter rail leads to functioning high speed rail. It all has to work together, or else you might as well not do it.
Also, check out the Swedish X2000 train. It has a suspension which leans it in turns, making special tracks unnecessary. Good for those countries who only want to dip a toe into HSR.
@Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est: Like the Northeast corridor, where the Acela uses just such a system. Unfortunately, you still need jointless track to attain high speeds (from what I understand). #rants
@drewdrawshashtags: Yes. You also need tracks far enough apart so when the trains tilt, they don't hit each other. Part of the reason the Acela doesn't go as fast here as it does in France is they had to restrict the speed due to the tracks being too close together to take advantage of the full tilting feature.
Makes you glad they figured that out _before_ they started running them, eh? #rants
@mechimike: They actually didn't. I worked for Amtrak's insurer at the time they were testing and one of the reasons for the many delays was that the trains were hitting things when they tilted. Luckily, no severe accidents, but I think some poles were taken out. #rants
Having had the pleasure of riding the Shinkansen in Japan, I'd hop aboard a high speed train at the drop of the proverbial hat. For small land mass countries like Japan, it's a god-send. I spent 2.5 months in Japan on '07, mostly in a small-ish town outside of Nagoya. The Shinkansen got me to Tokyo in 2 hours, and Kobe in about the same. Fuji Speedway was another destination served almost completely by train (and a highly entertaining cab ride through the country side). No one does rail like the Japanese. The first time you're at a Shinkansen station waiting for your train, and an express blows through at a good 150mph is seriously awesome. Fun fact: the Japanese rail system averages schedule deviations and variances in seconds.
States such as California could surely benefit from such a system. It's got a large population across a very serviceable area. Unfortunately, there's no way in hell the state could ever pay for it (I'll spare you all any diatribe aimed at our crew in Sacramento).
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@evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars: To be fair... The Japanese put the first Shinkansen in service (running 125 MPH) 5 years before we put a man on the moon. They've been at this a while. #rants
Well ranted. I still think some of the $700 billion should have been spent on infrastructure, rather than shoring up bankers' bonuses. Two coastal rail networks and maybe one spanning the continent would truly be grand. #rants
@Mobius: We used to have this sort of thing. The argument everyone seems to miss is that once upon a time, Americans had a rail system that was the envy of the world. #rants
I heart the German ICE trains. I got to take a ride on one last month, and it was about the most sublime experience you can possibly have on wheels. Berlin to Stuttgart in about two and a half hours with about six stops in-between. $70 a first class ticket where you actually feel like you're traveling first class. You're not going to get there this fast or this well in your BMW 7-series or your Benz E-class. Not in Germany, and certainly not in the USA.
That having been said, the difference between Europe and North America is that once you get off this state-of-the-art high-speed train, you have regional and local subways and surface streetcars and buses going wherever you might want to go in the destination city.
In the USA, unless you've rented a car (or have your own car in a nearby parking lot), you are stranded in place. These systems have been in continuous development in every German city worth mentioning (taking a break, perhaps, for World War Two) since Kaiser Wilhelm's regime. We destroyed ours. Utterly. Unless you happen to be standing in a handful of cities on the East Coast, the only way you're going to get anywhere is by automobile.
We will have to re-develop our local public transportation systems before we can even think about building a high-speed rail network. Without the former, you will not be able to expand ridership for the latter to even the subset of Americans who use commuter airlines.
@HurtsSoGood: I agree. I live in DC and I can get practically anywhere by Metro, even out into the suburbs. I almost never take busses -- this is all trains.
I love cars, but this kind of public transit means I can buy something completely impractical to drive for fun and forget about a "daily driver" that is practical. #rants
Trains are romantic, they are elegant, they are things of beauty. In the 1930s and 40s, rail travel practically became the mascot for the U.S. They put the flashiest Cadillac to shame. While not on par with the ocean liners of the 1910s and 20s, they were close enough.
Just thing. Trains could give the American population as a whole, something to be proud of! Something that hasn't really happened with cars of late, or cruise ships, or airplanes. #rants
@Ford Tempo Fanatic: With the exception of you airplanes comment, I completely agree with you.
We have always had aircraft to be proud of, and the latest Boeing 787 Dreamliner is no exception.
We do need to bring back other things that we, as a nation, can be proud of again, and I think that an advanced rail system and a renewed ship building program could be just the thing. While the original SS United States still exists, and is rumored to be the target of a major renovation in the near future, I would like to see more things like that.
With the latest round of cars put out by GM and Ford, I think that we are at last on the right path with cars again, though. #rants
@pauljones: And I agree. We are on the right track with cars, and the Corvette ZR-1 and Cadillac CTS-V are certainly world class vehicles. But the damage has been done, and its going to be a long time before cars and America go together as well as they did in the 1950s, 1960s.
We've got the upcoming 787 Dreamliner sure, but is that enough? We need something that will look good on billboards, something that will be a household name. Something only America has. There is definite potential both on the rails and at sea for America to achieve something great.
Back in the 30s, 40s, you had kids playing with Lionel models of trains like the Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 electrics, or the New York Central Hudsons. World famous designers like Loewy and Henry Dreyfus were being contracted to work for specific railways like the PRR and the New York Central. #rants
As you point out, much of the appeal of rail travel once upon a time was the glamor of it. And I think that before we can get people to agree on building a national HSR system, it might help if we kind of manipulated them into wanting one. If we were to renovate the current tracks, and recreate may of the old, elegant, art deco engines of yore with modern propulsion advantages, and made it a full luxury experience, we might just be able to put that glamor back in rail travel, and then we can worry about building an entirely new and more efficient system, when we have the actual support for it.
I think we should do the same for sea travel. Nowadays, sea travel consists of going on round-trip cruises. But it used to be that sea travel consisted of actual, point A-to-point b traveling for people who had the luxuries of time and money, and wanted to enjoy a luxurious, pampered experience. We need to do that again. There's nothing that says it absolutely has to be competitive in price with transatlantic flights. It just has to be infinitely more pleasant and desirable in order to justify the price.
If we can get it to the point that kids want things like that to play with again, we might stand a chance. But getting there is the hard part. #rants
@pauljones: Indeed. And with the sole exception of the 787 for air travel, there seems to be absolutely no effort whatsoever. So, the sad truth is that sea and rail travel are probably going to be neglected for quite some time. #rants
@Ford Tempo Fanatic: 787? Really? I've always loved the original 787 (aka Sonic Cruise) but the one they are actually producing is so watered down that it merely is a slightly more stylish version of every other current airliner out there. Tell me one feature which is actually "game changing?"
Yes, it has a great new composite body and some other differentiators but so what? There is nothing really exciting about it. It definitely is no Concord for sure. Not even a Super-Caravelle.
@FTGDWolverineEdition'09: Have you seen the interior? Have you flown on the other planes in use by airlines these days? Has there been any improvements, no matter how small, to airliners in the past two, three decades? #rants
@Ford Tempo Fanatic: How different will that interior be from an economy class passenger perspective? Much better than the one being offered these days? Even more than the A380? If so, I will happily welcome it. #rants
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World's longest bridge over water that's covered by ice for part of the year
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And right after it opened, it started breaking, and leaking, and squashing people in their cars. Way to pick the lowest bidder! Your tax money hard at...oh, forget it.
I guess this was really a page for awe-inspiring and aesthetically remarkable structures, not aw-hell inspiring, underground structures.
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My personal favorite, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel. It's damned long - I can't remember exactly how long, but you're on it long enough to get tired of it, I think over ten miles - and in at least one spot you dive under the water for a mile or so. Because of ships, you know. They can't dive to go under the bridge.
One wonders - wouldn't it have been cheaper to make the bridge taller for a while? Then the ships could go under. No need for bilge pumps and vent fans. Just saying.
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Since when is New York City the greatest city in the world?
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#tips
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Another totally awesome bit of infrastructure - the Millau Viaduct in France.
It's fairly long and crazy tall.
Edit: dangit. Mr Dude beat me to it, but not by name, only by image
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Since private industry hasn't done that yet, in spite of the technology having been available for decades, I don't think there is a strong business case for them.
Yet anyway. #rants
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Also, check out the Swedish X2000 train. It has a suspension which leans it in turns, making special tracks unnecessary. Good for those countries who only want to dip a toe into HSR.
[en.wikipedia.org] #rants
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Makes you glad they figured that out _before_ they started running them, eh? #rants
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Hearties for both of you for expanding my knowledge. #rants
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States such as California could surely benefit from such a system. It's got a large population across a very serviceable area. Unfortunately, there's no way in hell the state could ever pay for it (I'll spare you all any diatribe aimed at our crew in Sacramento).
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That having been said, the difference between Europe and North America is that once you get off this state-of-the-art high-speed train, you have regional and local subways and surface streetcars and buses going wherever you might want to go in the destination city.
In the USA, unless you've rented a car (or have your own car in a nearby parking lot), you are stranded in place. These systems have been in continuous development in every German city worth mentioning (taking a break, perhaps, for World War Two) since Kaiser Wilhelm's regime. We destroyed ours. Utterly. Unless you happen to be standing in a handful of cities on the East Coast, the only way you're going to get anywhere is by automobile.
We will have to re-develop our local public transportation systems before we can even think about building a high-speed rail network. Without the former, you will not be able to expand ridership for the latter to even the subset of Americans who use commuter airlines.
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I love cars, but this kind of public transit means I can buy something completely impractical to drive for fun and forget about a "daily driver" that is practical. #rants
11/13/09
Trains are romantic, they are elegant, they are things of beauty. In the 1930s and 40s, rail travel practically became the mascot for the U.S. They put the flashiest Cadillac to shame. While not on par with the ocean liners of the 1910s and 20s, they were close enough.
Just thing. Trains could give the American population as a whole, something to be proud of! Something that hasn't really happened with cars of late, or cruise ships, or airplanes. #rants
11/13/09
We have always had aircraft to be proud of, and the latest Boeing 787 Dreamliner is no exception.
We do need to bring back other things that we, as a nation, can be proud of again, and I think that an advanced rail system and a renewed ship building program could be just the thing. While the original SS United States still exists, and is rumored to be the target of a major renovation in the near future, I would like to see more things like that.
With the latest round of cars put out by GM and Ford, I think that we are at last on the right path with cars again, though. #rants
11/13/09
We've got the upcoming 787 Dreamliner sure, but is that enough? We need something that will look good on billboards, something that will be a household name. Something only America has. There is definite potential both on the rails and at sea for America to achieve something great.
Back in the 30s, 40s, you had kids playing with Lionel models of trains like the Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 electrics, or the New York Central Hudsons. World famous designers like Loewy and Henry Dreyfus were being contracted to work for specific railways like the PRR and the New York Central. #rants
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As you point out, much of the appeal of rail travel once upon a time was the glamor of it. And I think that before we can get people to agree on building a national HSR system, it might help if we kind of manipulated them into wanting one. If we were to renovate the current tracks, and recreate may of the old, elegant, art deco engines of yore with modern propulsion advantages, and made it a full luxury experience, we might just be able to put that glamor back in rail travel, and then we can worry about building an entirely new and more efficient system, when we have the actual support for it.
I think we should do the same for sea travel. Nowadays, sea travel consists of going on round-trip cruises. But it used to be that sea travel consisted of actual, point A-to-point b traveling for people who had the luxuries of time and money, and wanted to enjoy a luxurious, pampered experience. We need to do that again. There's nothing that says it absolutely has to be competitive in price with transatlantic flights. It just has to be infinitely more pleasant and desirable in order to justify the price.
If we can get it to the point that kids want things like that to play with again, we might stand a chance. But getting there is the hard part. #rants
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Yes, it has a great new composite body and some other differentiators but so what? There is nothing really exciting about it. It definitely is no Concord for sure. Not even a Super-Caravelle.
p.s: I love planes. #rants
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@FrankGrimes: The japanese already one-upped us on that. Not only is it rocket engines instead of jets, but it also turns into a gian robot! #rants