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    ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks

    ICON CJ3B, "The Dog"

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    Image of Xelmon Xelmon
    09/22/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    To all of the Willys MB comments:
    I am an avid lover of the good old vehicles. While it would be much cheaper, I ask you guys Not to go and tear up one of those. There are only so many out there, and even today they can catch a price anywhere between 500 (rusted junk) to 4000 (very nice rebuild) all the way to the moon.

    If you simply want to go for the looks... Take a little time, have the sheet metal stamped out, and call it good!

    Also, whatever you'll use will have a new frame. Old vehicles can develop cracks in the frame, not good if you're off-roading.
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    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks

    So very cool. I can totally see this thing done up like Sarge...
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    If it has proper machine gun mounts I'm in, otherwise forget it.
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    Image of CptSevere CptSevere
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    Crack Pipe. I'd rather have a real WW2 Willys MB. I could have about eight of them for this price.
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    09/18/09

    EDIT: nevermind
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    Edited by area_educator at 09/18/09 3:53 PM area_educator was starred area_educator was unstarred
    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    Looks like someone glued an OG Nissan Patrol's face on a Willys CJ.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    The quality of the work these guys do, along with their warranty and service put them in a different category.

    Having done my own building, and paid for it at a good shop, I can tell you the quality of the work can be good, but it's not going to be the level of OEM off-the-showroom-floor that ICON delivers.

    This is essentially an alternative to buying a Bentley Continental.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    ICON is known for having a pretty tall price tag. But seein's how all my welds wind up looking like Arrakan Sand Worm boogers, I can see how this would appeal. If I could bolt in a 22R, that'd be cool. If I could bolt in an AMC 150, that'd be even better. Keep it original, so to speak.

    If ICON is going to refer to it as "The Dog," then the only proper name for the beast, once it's in your driveway, is Junkyard.
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    A pricey toy. A cursory search on the Internet reveals a plethora of old CJ Jeeps (even CJ3B) with a Chevy small-block and a T400 trans at a tenth of this price. Even accounting for frequent repairs, you can't get anywhere close to 80 large, which doesn't include your tax and sizable insurance.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    Neat, but overpriced. If anyone names theirs "Mike", I'm going to sue ('cuz they obviously have lots of money).
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    I'd always read that turbo gassers were generally too peaky and had not enough low-rev torque to be well suited for rock crawling and such. So, this seems like an odd power choice.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/18/09

    @YankBoffin: The DI turbo Ecotec has plenty of low-down power, feels more like a big V6.
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    Image of Feds Feds
    09/18/09

    @YankBoffin: Torque = Power/speed

    Lower gearing will always make up for torque deficits.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/18/09

    @Feds: what torque deficits? It makes 260 lb-ft at 2000 rpm, and trust me, it's definitely usable.
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    Image of Feds Feds
    09/18/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: That's less than something that makes 290 lb-ft at 1800 rpm.

    However, if you had a 1.11 lower-ratio rear end, or x-fer case, you'd be back to even output.

    I'm just saying that it is totally pointless to say an engine has low torque output without considering the rest of the drivetrain. A 500CC bike motor coupled to enough reduction will make 1000 lb-ft, you just won't get anywhere fast.
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    I need. I want. I will buy. This is the perfect rig for our Farm. No reason to purchase a Rhino or Gator when this will do the same job and you can still drive to town.

    Pure Off-Road Win right there.

    Major edit.

    [www.expeditionportal.com]

    $80,000 Dollars? Are you fucking kidding me? This went from total win to epic failure in the fastest time possible.
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    Image of jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware
    09/18/09

    @lilwillie hides autos in the attic: In the latest C&D (Yes, I still get it. I like reading things made of paper.) there was an article about buying an old WWII jeep and participating in D-Day reinactments and celebrations.

    The old jeep was $16,000. You can have three or four of these including import costs for your "simple" offroader fix.
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    Image of tackett tackett
    09/18/09

    @lilwillie hides autos in the attic:
    Best. Edit. Ever.

    Just buy an old Geo Tracker/Zuke SIdekick. $2,000, and works just as well.
    I took the back seats out of mine, and can put 10' pieces of steel or wood in it at the lumber/metal yard.
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    lilwillie hides autos in the attic promoted this comment tackett was starred tackett was unstarred
    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    09/18/09

    @tackett: We will likely go a similar route. We have 4x4 trucks but wanted something small and nibble for the woods and hills. Also, it is much more fun drinking beer, shining deer and basically roaming the marsh in a open cockpit rig like a Jeep.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    I have only one beef - I'm envisioning this as a father/DAUGHTER project.
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    Image of n0m4d n0m4d
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    I would have designed it using Inventor, Solid Works is the MSPaint of CAD.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/18/09

    @n0m4d: If you want to play that game why not go whole hog and say "use I-DEAS," you can do FEA right in the program without exporting to a standalone solver.

    oh wait, it's $50,000 a seat.
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    Image of TimTim TimTim
    09/18/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: SolidWorks and Inventor both have built in FEA these days... granted they're costly add-ins, but you don't have to shell out for I-DEAS or CATIA to get built in FEA.

    @n0m4d: Google Sketchup is the the MSPaint of CAD, Inventor and SolidWorks are the GIMP and Paint Shop Pro of CAD.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    09/18/09

    @n0m4d: SolidWorks is the most intuitive and best capability per dollar out there in CAD, but if I could choose any software to design in, with cost not being an issue, I'd take Unigraphics over I-Deas, Catia V5, or Pro/E.

    Actually, I'd take SolidWorks over I-Deas, Catia, or Pro/E.

    But after 9 years of UG, I might be a bit biased. But I work with several people who have switched over to UG from I-Deas or Pro/E, and they all like Unigraphics better, so there might be something to it.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    09/18/09

    @n0m4d: Inventor?

    Ha!

    When you're ready to get some work done, Solidworks is the answer.

    (Used Inventor, AutoCAD, Pro-E and SW. SW any day of the week)
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/18/09

    @Mad_Science: While i'm partial to the base orphan reference node, I-DEAS is just too much in anything other than a student edition, which means professional work is verboten. Catia has always been stupid, I mean, hell, it's what Chrysler used forever.

    I learned on AutoCAD R13 I think and eventualy got bored with it after learning Pro-E, I've gone back to it every once in a while when it's updated but have never really thought of it as an easy to use CAD system. Solidworks is pretty decent bang for the buck, and makes assemblies super easy.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    09/18/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I learned on AutoCAD R12 (ha!) without a mouse on a 386 machine.

    We had all this outdated stuff in my high school CAD/CAM class.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    I like it in theory, but if I'm going to drive a Jeep, I'd like the title to say "Jeep". And with the parts availability as it is, you can buy a ragged CJ for cheap, and bolt all new parts to it, and get the same satisfaction of building your own Jeep, and have an easier time registering and insuring your creation.

    This is a little too Jeep-y to not just go get a real Jeep.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    09/18/09

    In reply to ICON CJ3B: An Old School Off-Roading "Dog" With A Few New Tricks
    I love these guys.
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