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Hybridthry84
11/22/09

In reply to Hyundai's Theta II 2.4-liter Direct-Injection Four-Cylinder: First Look
This seems like it is going to be a great engine. Honda's 2.2 from the S2000 might make more power but it doesn't have as much torque, it requires premium fuel, and you have to keep it in the upper revs for it to make that power. Honda's own 2.4 liter four from the Accord is a much more comparable engine. It has 190 hp at 7000 rpm and 162 lb-ft at 4400 rpm. While the hp are fairly close, the Theta has considerably more torque and it makes all of its hp and torque at a lower rpm. I think this will be a very popular engine for Hyundai and one they will want to work on getting into more of their vehicles.
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Turboner
11/21/09

In reply to Hyundai's Theta II 2.4-liter Direct-Injection Four-Cylinder: First Look
Just slap a turbo on it, already. With erect injection, the sky isn't even the limit.
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alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons
11/20/09

In reply to Hyundai's Theta II 2.4-liter Direct-Injection Four-Cylinder: First Look
So many naysayers. I think this is a bitch'n engine. Especially if they keep the transparent valve cover and glowing headers.
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BigHarv
11/21/09

@alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons: I'm with you, this think sounds like a hell of an engine. What a nice base option mill-and it'll make those little Forte coupes a lot of fun for next to nothing too.
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If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
11/20/09

In reply to Hyundai's Theta II 2.4-liter Direct-Injection Four-Cylinder: First Look
Wow, so they're just now accomplishing what Honda did with the 2.2L, port-injected H22 almost 15 years ago. Meh.
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IH_kumicho
11/20/09

@If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face:

Huh. I must have missed how the H22 put out 186 ft/lbs of torque at 4250rpm....
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If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
11/20/09

@IH_kumicho: Oh believe me, I'm quite familiar with the complete lack of low-end torque in Honda fours. In fact, it's one of the many reasons I never want to drive a Civic again.

Nevertheless, it's hard for me to feign excitement about a 200 horse anything, let alone a four-banger Hyundai.
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bripab007
11/20/09

@If FromaBuick6: So you're saying that peak horsepower figure of 200 is the only thing that matters in an engine? This engine will make more torque than the H22 could ever dream of, all while getting better fuel economy.
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RentalCarGuy
11/20/09

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There's as much pornworthy about a naturally aspirated 2-liter-range four-banger as there's about brown paper bags: Sure you can do kinky things with them (although I know of none), but in general they're just plain boring.
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Ben Wojdyla
11/20/09

@RentalCarGuy: Oh I don't know, there are a lot of Honda, Nissan and Toyota guys who'll happily disagree with you.
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pauljones
11/20/09

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Why is it so damn impossible to find a complete set of technical stats on Hyundai engines? I can't find the complete stats for the Tau, Theta, Theta II, or Lambda engines.

All I really want to know, for the sake of comparison to other engines, is the displacement, output, weight, fuel economy, and physical dimensions.
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Bertone77
11/20/09

@pauljones: I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

[hyundaiengine.com]
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pauljones
11/20/09

@Bertone77: Thank you sir.

Now I just need to find out how much they weigh.
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molson3530
11/20/09

@pauljones: Click on the engine model you are interested in on the left column. It will take you to a more detailed page that includes dry weight and much more.
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If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
09/17/09

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Yeah, I guess it's Camry-like, but it doesn't have that hideous wort at the top of the grille, nor does it have the same fat, bland midsection of the last two Camrys. Also, the interior looks a lot better, which doesn't say much because the Camry interiors have been pretty mediocre for the last 15 years.

Honestly, I kinda like it. It's a little quirky, but it lacks the blah factor of the Camry and the pure hideousness of the Accord. If I was shopping for a new midsizer, I'd probably look at the Altima and the 6 first, though.
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MushyHeirloom
09/17/09

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It's hideous. I'm not even sorry to say it, it's just hideous. They seem to have combined the worst styling traits of the last two generations of Camry.

It has a decent ass, though.
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tonyola
09/17/09

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The front end of the Sonata might be somewhat Camry-like but the profile and rear are far beyond what Toyota is doing these days. It looks like Hyundai is learning how to be adventuresome without veering off into awkward or weird territory. That bold crease that sweeps back to the taillights adds some real character.
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500wishes
09/17/09

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Toyota already made a mistake by calling Hyundai a competitor,

now that hyundai has raised their quality, does this mean that Toyota has to drop their outrageous price tags?

because right now people see a toyota owner as simply somebody that has too much money and thinks Reliability is part of luxury
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Maymar
09/17/09

In reply to 2011 Hyundai Sonata: Now With Even More Camry-Like Style!
I see a fair bit of new Taurus in the front, and a lot of 3-series in the back.

Still, this copying this is nothing new. I remember the original Sonata (going back 20 years) described as looking like a bloated Accord. Things got weird in '96, but they normaled it up again for the current generation.
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PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
09/17/09

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H copys T just like H copying T, you don't see F or C copying T.
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09/17/09

@PowerTryp forever Minardi: That's why F and C have a long track record of fail.
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bmoreDLJ
09/17/09

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The sixth-gen Camry headlights are unmistakable, as is the VW CC profile.

The aggressive grille may scare a few timid potential buyers away, however, much like the old "Hannibal Lector" Kia Optima grille. Nobody who'd otherwise buy a Camry wants a car that looks like it wants to eat you.
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Dhillaz 2.0
09/17/09

In reply to 2011 Hyundai Sonata: Now With Even More Camry-Like Style!
More Passat CC than Camry. Well done Hyundai, welcome to the respectable brand club.
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
09/17/09

@Dhillaz 2.0: Reminds me of that scene from Boiler Room. J.P. Morgan just called- they said welcome to the club boys.
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Mobius
09/17/09

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Daring, my dear sirs, does not mean ugly.
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Novaload
09/17/09

@Mobius: Sometimes it do.
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