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    Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    I've said it before - the Cobalt SS Turbo is a performance surprise. It is this generation's Taurus SHO.


    At least, until the new Taurus SHO arrives.

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    I'll take the Cobalt. Nearly free, goes like stink, and the accelerator doubles as what an Omni GLH-S tester once called a "lane-change switch"? Sign me up!
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    Why only auto trans stats info on the Challenger?
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    03/18/09

    @Mad_Science: base spec cars, manual is a cost option.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    The Genesis looks like a wall-eyed mouth breather toad that just got whacked really hard over the head.


    The Camaro looks like a 6'8" nose tackle who just saw a bad snap.

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    Image of suzq044 suzq044
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    I know you guys hate Chrysler.. but you can get a 6-speed stick in the Challenger.. both models now.
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    03/18/09

    @suzq044: indeed, but it costs monies, these are all base-spec, whatever they come with.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    With all the carping about the Hyundai, I have to ask the following question? Did you ever, in your wildest imagination, that big old General Motors would have ever compared any of their vehicles to a Hyundai? Not take that question, and ponder it further, and ask why they would even consider comparing a Camaro to a Hyundai.


    It's quite obvious that Hyundai has taken great strides in quality, reliability, and desirability. Almost all of the modern car companies are looking over their shoulder, including Benz, BMW, and Audi. Not bad for a company that started importing cars into the US in 1986.

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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    Boy, the Challenger SRT-8 really bends you over. Is the Mustang used in comparison to the Camaro SS also a 2010? or is it the older model? Ford is going to need to up the GTs horsepower in order to keep up with the bow tie pony. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    03/18/09

    @Graverobber: mustang = 2010
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    the camaro configurator is now working:


    [www.chevrolet.com]

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    Image of War2d2: Secure In His Own Manhood War2d2: Secure In His Own Manhood
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    I love the new Camaro. I love the new Mustang. I really, really love the new Challenger. But god damn. Can't they shed a couple pounds here or there? I still lust and drool over every one of them, but imagine where they'd be if each one lost 500lbs or so.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    03/18/09

    @War2d2 - Looking For a Star...: They will, they will.

    One way or another.
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    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    in that photo either the Camaro looks small or that Hyundai looks huge. Dad had the same thought for "Damn thats a small Corvette or Damn thats a huge 911." for the record i'd be happy driving any of the four just mentioned.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    Sure it wins the HP per dollar contest, but the Shelby GT 500 wins the HP per MPG contest. Which is more important, is left as an exercise for the student
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    Image of Lost in the age of Aerostar Lost in the age of Aerostar
    03/18/09

    @DoctorNine:


    I was thinking the more important "dollar per" figure, would be 0-60 time per MSRP. That measures performance.


    I quickly did a comparison that way, figuring MSRP divided by the amount of time under 10 seconds to reach 60 mph, and got the following (the further under 10 seconds, the better the performance):


    #1: Camaro $5740
    #2: Hyundai $5813
    #3: Mustang GT $5832
    #4: 370Z $6108
    #5: Challenger RT $6233
    #6: Challenger SRT8 $7650
    #7: Shelby GT500 $7852


    Feel free to point out the errors in my math, but I think that's a better way to measure performance then $/hp.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    03/18/09

    @Lost in the age of Aerostar: Actually, I agree with you. And my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek. Since most high HP cars are bought more for bragging rights than an intrinsic need to do a high rate of work per unit time (the basic meaning of HP) it follows that the value of each car is somewhat personal.


    However, the point I was getting at, was that for a buyer who is not that concerned with purchase price, a higher output vehicle that gets a relatively better MPG figure might be more fun to have as a toy. Since, as gas prices go up, there would be less concern with fuel availability/cost, one could use it more freely.


    So if you want a ride with high HP and reasonable MPG, the Shelby GT 500 is a better buy.

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    Image of Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    Well, since I was bored as shit by the 2010 Camaro when we first started getting 5-10 articles a day about it approximately 375 years ago, I'm gonna try to find something else to make inane comments about (I know, it won't be a stretch for me)...


    Oh, here we go-Photography credit: Wetzel Tucker


    I'm not going in the darkroom with anybody that Tucks their Wetzel.

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    Image of reefer reefer
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    psst... they offer numbers for all their 'competition' on the GM website. check it out and build your own! what puzzled me is I did not see White as an option!? very disappointing.
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    03/18/09

    @reefer: But they're too litigation averse and won't offer the numbers you're actually interested in.
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    A little disturbing to know that the 3232lbs 370Z is the lightest of the pack.
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    Image of BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ
    03/18/09

    In reply to Chevy Camaro SS, LS Vs. The Competition: By The Numbers
    So after having it also compared to a DAF, I think the Camaro is a more tasteful option.
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    Image of the good dr zero the good dr zero
    03/18/09

    @BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ - wants a Busa V8: But did you compare it to a FAF?
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