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Huh. I must have missed how the H22 put out 186 ft/lbs of torque at 4250rpm....
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Nevertheless, it's hard for me to feign excitement about a 200 horse anything, let alone a four-banger Hyundai.
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All I really want to know, for the sake of comparison to other engines, is the displacement, output, weight, fuel economy, and physical dimensions.
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Now I just need to find out how much they weigh.
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Hyundai should have designed the coupe's engine bay to accept the Tau V8. Had they done so from the beginning, I don't think it would have cost them too much extra money, and it would give them and aftermarket tuners a lot more flexibility with the platform.
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11/20/09
The whole problem is that they failed to use the same platform for the two cars that share a name, so I wouldn't doubt that you could stuff the Tau V8 in the front of a Coupe but when your V6 already makes 300 HP then whats the point especially when the V6 weighs less.
11/20/09
The Camaro just came out, and the base model has an engine just as powerful as the high-end Genesis coupe (although the Camaro is actually a tenth of a second or two slower due to its weight, though it get better mileage), and the Camaro SS leaves the Genesis in the dust.
The 2011 Mustang will have a base engine more powerful than the Genesis coupe's premium engine, and won't have the same weight disadvantage that the Camaro has. And the 2011 Mustang GT? It, too, will leave the Genesis coupe in a cloud of dust and tire smoke.
Granted, the base price for the highest Genesis coupe trim line undercuts the base Camaro SS and Mustang GT price by a grand or two, but for that extra grand or two, you get a hell of a lot.
Where the Genesis coupe makes the least sense is stacked up against the base models of the 2010 Camaro and the 2011 Mustang, which are at the least it's peer in power, get better mileage, and are more refined than the Genesis coupe; all for a price that is in the same ballpark of a base, 4-cyl Genesis coupe.
Had Hyundai designed a little more growth potential into the Genesis coupe platform by designing it to accept the Tau V8, they could have made the platform more competitive in a broader field.
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The Genesis Coupe is a bit smaller than its domestic competition. I'm thinking a V8 model would be very front-heavy.
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@Mixtronic: So can the Camaro and the Mustang. The Challenger? Well, not quite as well, but it's far from scary.
11/21/09
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But the truth is, the majority of people in the non-premium sporty, RWD coupe market (in which the Genesis, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, 370Z, and RX-8 compete) aren't necessarily Mustang people. They are people out to buy a car in that class, and while they may have a short list, they are likely to consider alternatives based on the deals they can get and other similar criteria.
So yes, the Genesis does indeed compete with the Mustang.
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11/17/09
Where's Unregular? #gm
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a person disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
Conservatives have been instrumental in trying to stop progression, or to try and "turn back the clock" to anything even remotely progressive.
It is this particular cornerstone that limits a free thinking society, stymies inventiveness, and limits expression.
We no longer are at the forefront of new inventions, new ideas, or new product. You can lay all that on Conservatism. #gm
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OK: Lets take Passenger Airliners, just as an example. I can't deny that Boeing is a formidable competitor, but every Airbus model is far superior than the Boeing competing model. Yes the 787 is modern, but it has taken forever to get out of the gate.
The Brazilian Firm Embraer developed a line of E-Jets that really have no rival. We used to own the Aircraft Industry, and now we are merely a player.
Lets talk Large Trucks: We have two Truck Manufacturers left in the US, PACCAR (Peterbilt, Kenworth) and NAVISTAR (International). The Number one and Number two truck producers in North America is Freightliner (owned by Daimler), and Volvo (Still Swedish Owned, and not connected with the car division owned by Ford) and look at this, they own Mack Truck now! The European Trucks are far more modern and up-to-date than the American ones.
Lets talk Cell Phones for a minute. Motorola used to own the segment, but have been eclpised by Research in Motion (Blackberry), Apple, Nokia, Erickson, Samsung, Sony, with a host of smaller brands following close behind. It really is too little too late with the Droid.
We are no longer dominate in the PC world, what with the sale of IBM's PC business to Lenovo, and almost every other machine built in China. Semiconductor technology has been off loaded to the far east, Software Service has been offloaded to India, and we never did own the flat screen market.
From what I understand,
the Russian mathematicians are superior to almost anyone, The German and Swedish optics are superior to everyone, and the Swiss still make the best chocolate.
We were suppose to be the smartest as far as investment, but that theory got blown out of the water. We were suppose to have the best Insurance Companies (Ha!), and the best Banks (Pffft!). What have we got now? A whole lot of Nothing Special. #gm
11/17/09
We know it does, because you looked up the word "conservative" in the dictionary...
What limits free thinking and inventiveness is artificially rewarding failure and punishing success.
As to your later post about industries, most have some degree of labor issues. Truck and airplane manufacturing are both hammered in the US by unions. For cell phones, Motorola and Apple are US companies. RIM is Canadian. Nice job dismissing the Droid, though.
Same story with PC's and software "service". Intel and AMD are US companies. Their manufacturing is no longer done here. This is because it's too expensive. Same thing with call centers. Are you suggesting it's because conservatives have inflated the cost of labor in the US?? #gm
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These men only respected other property owners, but made no mention of women, or slaves as equal. Don't try an tell me that all of these men were for equal rights among the indigenous tribes that populated this land before we did. They also felt that the Women were somewhat second class citizens, and did nothing to stop the importation of slaves to work for nothing, while being the property of these same property owners.
My argument about free trade is that it has been free trade on a one way street. Japan, Korea, and to some extent most of the rest of the world do not practice our form of free trade, in which we invite anyone to take advantage of our policies, without any consequence to their own trade policies.
And do not bring up the tired argument about our Founding Fathers. If you wanted a government fashioned by the founding fathers, Women still wouldn't be able to vote, we would still have slaves, 1/2% of the population would control 99% of the wealth, and almost no one (besides the descendants of the wealthy white men) would own property.
The argument of out founding fathers holds abut as much water as an almighty god who created earth in seven days. It's time to evolve. #gm
11/17/09
Britain no longer produces things because they believe in free trade? That's your response to my claiming labor is a problem? You might look into the history of labor in the UK. It's labor problems and gov't intervention/bailouts in the US times a thousand.
And who is it that has chosen "not to fight" for the US worker the way, apparently, Korea has?
Your arguments all seem to be my arguments. I.e. Look at industry in Britain. Look at industry here in any unionized sector: autos, trucks, planes, etc. Yet you draw from them completely different, and somewhat baffling, conclusions. #gm
11/17/09
The slavery issue came up many times in the first decades of the new Republic, and was put off for nearly a century to disastrous results. Some of the founding fathers, however, had strong anti-slavery sentiments. From the Revolution to the Civil War, public opinion on the slavery issue did not so much change as become entrenched, on both sides. As for women, they were enfranchised for a time in New Jersey, but very few took the opportunity, nor was there any opposition to speak of when it was taken away with a subsequent state constitution. As for the Natives, simply look at Franklin's Narrative of the Late Massacres.
I'm inclined to agree with you on the fair trade issue. We have ourselves at a disadvantage. We ought have trade restrictions simply to negate support and subsidization of foreign industry by the same foreign governments.
The principles behind the founding of this nation were quite absolute: inalienable God-given rights, sovereignty from the consent of the governed, &t. The government set up by the founding fathers was a compromise. As society has improved and gotten more used to the radical concept of liberty, the compromise has been reduced.
As for God creating the Earth, I suggest you start learning Hebrew. I cringe every time I hear "seven days". (Besides, in the very poor translation that you Christians have, it's SIX days. The seventh is the sabbath, God's gift to us, which we were kind enough to share with you. And don't you forget it!) #gm
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Nanny state policies, handouts, entitlements, strict regulations and spreading the wealth around lead to a passive society.
You have to understand that traditional values aren't all Jeebus, most are building the American Dream, not handing it out. #gm
11/18/09
@Nitrous Oxide: You bet we're pretentious. Our leaders once outvoted God in a debate over cooking apparata!
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we just need to move imaginary money around in markets and tweet stuff. then, buy stuff that OTHER countries make with our fake money and call it Capitalism.
do that, and America will be great again! #gm
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good for them!
in Capitalism, only a few get all the money and then we take that money and redistribute it to the rest of the people. indeed, it is Capitalism defined. #gm
11/17/09
While I am all for restoring classics in general, this is one particular vehicle that should be left to moulder slowly in neglect.
Thank goodness that most people here are sophisticated enough to laugh at such facile xenophobia. Nevertheless, there appear to be substantial numbers of commentators who are enjoying a chance to roll in such excrement and get it all over them. Which is more evidence that the dogs inhabit Jalopnik, and the cats reside at Jezebel.
Well done, Matt! This has to help your hit count! Go Go Gadget Advert Revenue! #gm
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Insult. Insult. Facts would go here if there were any. Insult."
Summarized for you. #gm
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@Matt Hardigree: @Matt Hardigree: "..Also, it's not xenophobia it's extreme nationalism, there's a difference..."
Umm... wait.. you're an 'extreme nationalist'?
Doesn't it give you pause, even just a little, to consider that such was exactly the platform of Hitler's National Socialist Party? Hmm?
Doesn't matter to me in the slightest, really. I am just totally grooving on VW taking over the world. As i said it would. Much to the derision of the assembled masses here. Remember 2 years ago when I told you to buy VW stock?
Did you do it? Heh.... #gm
11/17/09
@Shuke: "..You tell him, Matt..." #gm
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"..You tell 'im Matthew!!"
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Please, don't do it again. #gm
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The only thing that I'd add is it's ironic that the foreign automakers who would most benefit from the disappearance of GM and Chrysler have received a fair amount of support from their governments. One could even argue that the weakness of the Big Three is partly the result of "socialism" on the part of US economic competitors such as Germany, Japan and South Korea.
In a very real sense the bailouts are helping to level the international playing field.
Not that I'm a big fan of the bailouts in principle and how they have been implemented. But I do think it very strange that conservatives go nuclear over a policy decision approved by Bush that helps protect American interests against those foreign socialist interlopers. #gm
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Foreign manufacturers focused on niches that the Americans abandoned, on quality and reliability, on value.
The former Axis countries benefitted in part from the war, as when they rebuilt their industries, they had advanced modern plants. They also had highly skilled and dedicated, unionized workforces.
And their governments made sure that health care and retirement was paid when it was earned, rather than leaving it to the companies to carry on their books, and plunder.
I regret the bailout, but it was necessary - even if it simply buys a few more years for these companies. I also regret that the corporate management that brought us to this point has been richly rewarded and will not suffer in the least for the damage they created and the wreckage they leave behind.
The government showed up too late, has done too little, and has demanded too little in return for the bailouts. But without the government counterweight to the irresponsibility of the corporations, things would be immensely worse right now. #gm
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