I can't believe they get people to pay $60k for 140 horsepower. A local tuner can supercharge the car for much less, and then install an adjustable coilover suspension as well.
It's gotta be the floormats that drive up the price.
@baldy_pm: They actually offer orange leather straight from the factory.
Word on the street is that they took a sample of Pamela Anderson's skin and genetically engineered it and put it into mass production. Hence orange leather in Zs and Camaros.
@pauljones: Nothing against the Camaro, but $60k is ridiculous for exactly that. 562hp is failry impressive, but when you are pushing around a giant land barge, it only puts you in the 12s. At least with that half day of training you get with the car, the average Camaro driver might be able to get it into the 13s...
It's not the weight thing that bothers me. Yes, it's heavy, but at the same time, I understand why it is so heavy. Modern safety equipment, and IRS, and the fact that it is meant to be an everyman's car, which means that there is no room in the budget for a lot of fancy carbon fiber and aluminum. And even with that heft, it certainly is slow by any definition. Hell, even the V6 Camaro can hustle pretty well.
What gets me is paying an extra $25k over the price of a fully-loaded 2SS Camaro for an extra 136hp. 426hp is more than enough to cause trouble. And if you absolutely must have that extra 136hp, you can buy the parts and do it yourself for a hell of a lot cheaper. I mean, seriously. He bolted on a supercharger and remapped the ECU. Is that really $25,000 worth of labor?
@skaycog: Where was a girl like you when I was growing up?
proving that the Camaro is no longer just a redneck's play thing and more a precisely-guided patriot missile.
Sorry, maybe I'm getting an internet error here... where's the proof of that? I'm still seeing a redneck's play thing. "As American as Super-sized Fries and Size 42 Jeans?" Well... yes... it's bloated and ugly, I just didn't expect there to be pride at that. I'm not seeing any evidence of "precision" here, just a bunch of tire smoke and some very impressive engine numbers, stuffed into an ugly body, made much better by a lowered stance.
Sorry. It's still not a winner.
If it makes you feel better, though, I still like it more than the Challenger.
@Deartháir - Now with more SingoFinger™!: Not trying to be a dick or anything, but for the cost of the Camaro, what other car would you rather pick up? Just curious.
@engineerd has lost the funny: I'm not even sure that it's a poster child for model bloat so much as... really it's just a lardass. The last Camaro was a lardass too, but at least it didn't look like it as much as this one does. It just looks bloated and overweight. Whether it actually IS or not is almost irrelevant, it's just visually too fat.
Sure, nearly every car on the road is a bloated form of its ancenstors. Hell, I saw a new MINI parked next to a classic Mini the other day and was somewhat astonished at how huge the new one looked. However, you don't notice it so much when they aren't sitting next to each other.
The new Camaro and Challenger both look bloated even when in an empty parking lot or driving down the road alone. That's my problem with them.
The Mustang, too, is larger than it's 1960's granddaddy, but it doesn't look heavy. It still manages to keep a svelte figure (to steal a wording from Dearthair) while the Camaro and Challenger look like the hot girl in high school whose a fat pig at the reunion.
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...But don't expect ever to get the car in return for your money.
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Is the new exhaust better?
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Slap some 17" aluminum or mags on there and you'll be in the 11s, but nobody will automatically know how small your penis is.
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Gotta love Hennessey.
I hear they sell a lot of hardly used Viper parts.
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It's gotta be the floormats that drive up the price.
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Word on the street is that they took a sample of Pamela Anderson's skin and genetically engineered it and put it into mass production. Hence orange leather in Zs and Camaros.
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It's not the weight thing that bothers me. Yes, it's heavy, but at the same time, I understand why it is so heavy. Modern safety equipment, and IRS, and the fact that it is meant to be an everyman's car, which means that there is no room in the budget for a lot of fancy carbon fiber and aluminum. And even with that heft, it certainly is slow by any definition. Hell, even the V6 Camaro can hustle pretty well.
What gets me is paying an extra $25k over the price of a fully-loaded 2SS Camaro for an extra 136hp. 426hp is more than enough to cause trouble. And if you absolutely must have that extra 136hp, you can buy the parts and do it yourself for a hell of a lot cheaper. I mean, seriously. He bolted on a supercharger and remapped the ECU. Is that really $25,000 worth of labor?
@skaycog: Where was a girl like you when I was growing up?
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What with being on top of the motor and all...
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Sorry, maybe I'm getting an internet error here... where's the proof of that? I'm still seeing a redneck's play thing. "As American as Super-sized Fries and Size 42 Jeans?" Well... yes... it's bloated and ugly, I just didn't expect there to be pride at that. I'm not seeing any evidence of "precision" here, just a bunch of tire smoke and some very impressive engine numbers, stuffed into an ugly body, made much better by a lowered stance.
Sorry. It's still not a winner.
If it makes you feel better, though, I still like it more than the Challenger.
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It's essentially the same car, but it's actually, you know, attractive.
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Sure, nearly every car on the road is a bloated form of its ancenstors. Hell, I saw a new MINI parked next to a classic Mini the other day and was somewhat astonished at how huge the new one looked. However, you don't notice it so much when they aren't sitting next to each other.
The new Camaro and Challenger both look bloated even when in an empty parking lot or driving down the road alone. That's my problem with them.
The Mustang, too, is larger than it's 1960's granddaddy, but it doesn't look heavy. It still manages to keep a svelte figure (to steal a wording from Dearthair) while the Camaro and Challenger look like the hot girl in high school whose a fat pig at the reunion.
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Regardless, it is impressive.
And I don't think the redneck jokes apply to the new Camaro, but I was wondering, will they be making an IROC version?