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    Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo

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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    How are they going to pronounce "V70R?"
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    Image of alfasud alfasud
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    I work at a Volvo dealership. I graduated from the University of Nebraska with a broadcasting degree.

    I worked in broadcasting for a few years. I hated it.

    I sat in my garage staring at my cars talking to my wife on the telephone.

    "Honey, I think I want to sell cars."

    "What?"

    "I think I want to sell cars for a living."

    "You're going through some, quarter life crisis, Ian. What are you talking about?"

    "I want to sell...*staring at my '82 240 *...I want to sell Volvos."

    *silence*

    So the next day down I went.

    That was last year, July. It was hot. I rolled up in the old 240 that doesn't have properly functioning air conditioning. The two salesmen who work there (only two at that time) walk out to my car.

    We begin talking about the Volvos. Old Volvos.

    Oh my God. They're car guys.

    I started working there a few days later.

    It's odd, many people come in here and complain about the "New Volvo". They complain about the way the New Volvo looks. They say they hear they're unreliable. They say they're too fast/too slow.

    The funny thing is though, those people owned 240s and 740s and 850s when the internet wasn't readily available. You can't investigate problems of cars you're looking at as easily when only 1% of every car on the road is what you drive.

    Understand, those cars were built extremely well.

    But Volvo people are weird.

    A few weeks ago I sold a car to a woman who traded in her manual '86 240 that had rattly shock mounts, a leaky sunroof, randomly inoperable windows, and a christmas tree of lights illuminating on the dashboard - those are the problems that I can remember. It had many more. The randomly functional windows have been that way since new.

    She was able to see through all of those problems and believed the car to be immaculate.

    She purchased a new S80.

    Drawing from past experience - if that car has any perceived problems (through operator error or otherwise) - she will come in and ask me why Volvo has gone downhill. What's wrong with Volvo?

    Volvo carries a special place in many car enthusiasts hearts. But along with the advent of the internet car purchaser, Volvo has seemingly lost its way.

    Were Volvos ever safer than other cars? Maybe. Where they ever more reliable than other makes? Possibly. Are they now? Well, the internet will tell you "NO". So why purchase one?

    Most Volvo owners that I work with have told me that they wouldn't mind selling Volvo. Non-Volvo owners just don't get it. I have been told that I'm a horrible car salesman. I'm just a very passionate and typical Volvo owner.

    What non-Volvo people don't understand is that Volvo, more so than just making safe, reliable, and attractive automobiles, is a way of thought.

    See a friendly man step out of a Volvo? Say hi. See an attractive woman pull up into a parking spot? You instantly can trade Volvo stories.

    I now own three Volvos. Two pre-Ford ('91 780 Bertone Coupe, '95 940 Wagon) and one Ford era (2003 V70 2.5t). The connection with other Volvo folk is still there.

    The big thing I hope doesn't change if we do get bought by Geely is the stories, feelings, and friends you make by owning one.

    Here's to hoping.
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    Matt Hardigree promoted this comment alfasud was starred alfasud was unstarred
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    11/26/09

    @alfasud: Cheers. Thanks for writing that. It's nice to be reminded that not everyone involved thinks Volvo lost its way under Ford.

    I bought my first, and currently only, Volvo over the summer-- a C30 T5. I've never driven any of the pre-ford Volvos, but I may accumulate one or more down the line.

    Shortly after getting my C30, a friend and I went to dinner with her family and another family they're close to. They had an old Volvo wagon they'd bought at a yard sale-- "How else am I getting this stuff home?" They loved that car. But, they did offer to trade me for the C30.
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    Image of clinto clinto
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    Seriously, Jalopnik needs to chill with all the Volvo love. I can't even remember which article it was but something in the last few days has sent me to craigslist and eBarf looking at 240 wagons.

    I do not need another project.

    Or another mechanical mouth to feed.
     Reply
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    Volvos are such under-appreciated machines. But don't come to conclusions to quick, maybe post-China Volvos won't be so bad!
     Reply
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    11/25/09


    @Mobius: They probably won't do this, though...
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    11/25/09

    @sirbasilfawlty: Damn, that thing is just awesome. If I ever come to power at Volvo, I'd do that, and sell a version to the public, anyone with a Jalopnik account is eligible and anyone with a star can get a discount.
     Reply
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    I'm more thankful for their independent, 144/164/1800 era, thanks.
     Reply
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    11/25/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: You just blew by all the Volvo lovers and rocketed to the title of Volvo snob.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/25/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I support independent Volvos.
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    Image of vacolten vacolten
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    I love that you guys champion the old Volvos. While my old 164 (1971) may not have the swagger of some newer ones or even the p1800 it's got style. I've seen a few with the ultralite wheels and lowered springs that look pretty hardcore.
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment mr_dude approved this comment vacolten was starred vacolten was unstarred
    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/25/09

    In reply to Today, We're Thankful For The Pre-Chinese Volvo
    Inexplicably, I always liked the styling of the 760 wagon.

    I know, refrigerator-like, but it's nicely done.
     Reply
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    Image of loslosbaby loslosbaby
    09/02/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    I knew what it was because my Dad had one (2 years newer with no windshield overhang and diff. grill) and we fooled with it all the time.

    The Q is...what tranny does it have?
     Reply
    loslosbaby was starred loslosbaby was unstarred
    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    09/02/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    I got it right, but only because I had seen this before (on bangshift I think). I heartily approve of this monster - nice stance, old school rat rod looks, and that badass Viper V-10 is shocking when you open the hood.
     Reply
    acarr260 was starred acarr260 was unstarred
    Image of Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car!
    09/01/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    That's a great swap. This sleeper is so sleepy, you couldn't keep it awake with a keg of red bull. Now I want to see a Viper with an old ford I6.
     Reply
    skitter promoted this comment Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! was starred Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! was unstarred
    Image of skitter skitter
    09/01/09

    @Psiu! Puxa! drinks unleaded and craps valve seats: And people would still say 'Wow, this thing is really fast,' when you gave rides. Consider your heart clicked.
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    09/01/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    "Hahaha, hey Mike, look at that POS old rusty truck!"

    "Oh man, I can totally smoke him with the new supercharger in my Civic!"

    "Hey, old man, wanna race? Or, just watch me pull away from you like a f**king jet plane? Hahahaha!!!"

    *V10 roars*

    "Hey, Mike, I don't think that sounds very much like a 50's truck..."

    "No, dude, it's just his speakers, I ain't scared of him."

    And this, my friends, is how the Civic Kid was born.
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    Image of badhatharry badhatharry
    09/02/09

    @Mobius: No, this is how Civic Kid was born:

    Doctor: Ma'am, you're about to give birth!

    Woman: I don't care 'bout no babies! I wanna huff some more paint!

    aaaaand scene.
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    Image of dragon951 dragon951
    09/01/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    It's a truck engine, this is where it belonged from the beginning.
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    Image of brianesser76 brianesser76
    09/01/09

    @dragon951: Actually it was in the Viper first.
     Reply
    Edited by brianesser76 at 09/01/09 6:42 PM brianesser76 was starred brianesser76 was unstarred
    Image of Muscles Marinara Muscles Marinara
    09/01/09

    @brianesser76:
    It's essentially an aluminum version of the truck V10 block, actually...
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    Maymar promotes wojo promoted this comment Muscles Marinara was starred Muscles Marinara was unstarred
    Image of Maymar Maymar
    09/01/09

    @Muscles Marinara: Reading the Wikipedia article suggest it goes both ways - it was developed for the trucks in the 80's (from their V8 architecture) but didn't get used until '94 (while the Viper had it in '92).
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    09/01/09

    @Maymar promotes wojo:
    ahh...
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    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    09/02/09

    @dragon951: From what I've read, the V10 in the pickups and the V10 in the Viper merely share architecture - the heads and a lot of other components are very different.
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    Image of brianesser76 brianesser76
    09/01/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    Sorry, but the Corvette drivetrain/suspension swapping into a Civic takes the cake of all swaps and sleepers.

    [www.thetorquereport.com]
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    acarr260 promoted this comment brianesser76 was starred brianesser76 was unstarred
    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    09/02/09

    @brianesser76: Great, I'm following your link, but if I don't get anything done before lunch because of this, I'm blaming you. And a h-click if it's as cool as it sounds.
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    acarr260 was starred acarr260 was unstarred
    Image of brianesser76 brianesser76
    09/02/09

    @acarr260: The car is amazing. There are photos of it all over the net. True sleeper aside from the mean ass growl of the LS!
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    Image of alexander_the_car_salamander alexander_the_car_salamander
    09/01/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    I thought it was a Citroen 2CV. Imagine that, if you put this engine in a 2CV! You would have a 0-60 under 2 seconds! (And a 0 star crash test safety rating)
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    something_unique_and_descriptive promoted this comment alexander_the_car_salamander was starred alexander_the_car_salamander was unstarred
    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    09/01/09

    @alexander_the_car_salamander: Chances are you'd die in a fireball before you got there.

    I'm guessing that engine would take a 2CV apart before it got off the line.
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    something_unique_and_descriptive was starred something_unique_and_descriptive was unstarred
    Image of Maymar Maymar
    09/01/09

    @alexander_the_car_salamander: 0 Star? I think that's an improvement over stock.
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    Image of discontinuuity has left the Jalop until further notice discontinuuity has left the Jalop until further notice
    09/01/09

    @something_unique_and_descripti...: I once saw a 2CV in the Netherlands with some kind of Oldsmobile V8, and the stock frame.
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    Image of 1600mkII 1600mkII
    09/01/09

    In reply to What’s This Engine Bay: Engine Swap Edition
    I had thought a '54 Ford p-up, but they're identical, so do I get a tshirt?
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    Ben Wojdyla promoted this comment 1600mkII was starred 1600mkII was unstarred
    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    09/01/09

    @1600mkII: not quite, the grille is slightly different, but from what you were given to guess from you were essentially correct.
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