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    Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years

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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    10/09/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years

    Good work, but you missed a couple:

    the 1967 Opel Rekord was built in Brazil between 1969 and 1992 as the Chevrolet Opala/Comodoro/Diplomata.



    The 1st gen Mitsubishi Debonair was produced between 1964 and 1986 with a minimum of changes:
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    10/09/09


    @Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est:
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    09/28/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    The Bristol 603 is NOT still being made--production on this model ceased in 1982 (although knowing Bristol, they would undoubtedly make you one if you asked nicely enough). Bristol now make only the Blenheim (series 3, 3S & 3G), the Figher (incl. Fighter T) and a special order Speedster. That's it.
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    09/28/09

    @crankyshaft: The Blenheim is known internally as the 603 S4, though it was originally coded an S3 like the '82-'94 Brigand and Britannia. Significant changes included slightly revised body panels, new mirrors and a Bristol badge
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    09/28/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    wheres the Mazda Famlilia series!!!
    39 years!!!!!!!
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    10/09/09

    @protege03ak46: Just a nameplate.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    09/28/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    Sunuvabee I go on vacation and all this good stuff happens.
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    Image of ranwhenparked ranwhenparked
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    I'm not counting the Cadillac. A total body redesign is enough to keep other cars off the list, so it should be in this case as well. Besides, everyone knows D-Body production stopped in 1996, not 1997, making it 19 years. I should know, anyway, since I own one of the 12,000 Fleetwoods built that year.

    Also, the Morgan 4/4 actually dates to 1936, 1955 was simply the year the car re-started production after a brief interruption in the early 50s.
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    Image of Ralph Wiley Is Poised Ralph Wiley Is Poised
    09/27/09

    @ranwhenparked: And that unpleasantness with Mr Hilter.
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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    09/27/09

    @ranwhenparked: The 4/4 got a new suspension design in '55.
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    09/27/09

    @Murilee Martin: Hasn't it always been sliding pillars in front and a cart-sprung live axle in the back, like God and H.F.S. Morgan intended?
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    09/27/09

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    Awesome list, as usual Mr Martin.
    I was in Shenyang last (in the north-eastern Chinese Rust Belt) and we drove by a factory that's still making the Audi 100 C3. All the mid level civil servants had one, in black (while their bosses roll in Audis and their minions in Santanas). I never knew the name (can't read Chinese) but my memory's good with numbers and there was 8170 in the name.
    Any Sino-Jalops have an idea?
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    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    Here's another one for the list - the Russian ZIL 4104/41047 which was produced from 1981 to 2002 with only a minor facelift around 1985. This was the type of car in which Gorbachev rode in around New York City in 1988.
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    09/27/09

    @tonyola:
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    Image of Black_Watch_Plaid Black_Watch_Plaid
    09/28/09

    @tonyola: It might even extend beyond that, as Putin started using ZILs after he came to power, and I recall the factory putting the 41047 back into limited production.
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    09/28/09

    @Black_Watch_Plaid: Interesting. I have heard that even though the ZIL stopped production in 2002 because of lack of sales, the company (still a major truck maker) kept all of the tooling and has been willing to them to build them to order if anyone asked. The website for AMO-ZIL ([www.amo-zil.ru]) still lists the car.
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    09/28/09

    @tonyola: Sweet, I didn't know that they finally had a proper website. I'll be bookmarking that, thanks. (And anyone who likes ZILs gets a heart-clicky from me.)
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years

    I'm starting to have a recurrence of a VW Ghia "bug" -- ha! See what I did there? Seeing one in person a couple of weeks ago was a surprise, what a nice design! And even with these racy little things, VW kept its sense of humor. The caption for this ad was, "You'd Lose."
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    09/27/09

    @Novaload: Funny thing is, Dacon and the Fittipaldi brothers turned Karmann Ghia's into fire-breathing track monsters....of course, their Ghia's had Porsche power
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    09/27/09

    @scroggzilla raids again:
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    Image of Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car!
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    Every time I see a Trabant, I want one. It's like a kitten that needs a home, it finds a soft spot in my cold, mechanical heart.

    Is there something wrong with me?
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/27/09

    @Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car!: Only the same thing that's wrong with all the rest of us. Nothing to worry about. I think.
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    Image of duurtlang duurtlang
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years

    Still the 1st-gen Fiat Panda is missing. It was sold from 1980-2003. Not in China, but in (Western) Europa, so it's not even an obscure car for an European. Italian wikipedia states they made 5.5 million of these cars.
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    Image of CptSevere CptSevere
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    Great list. I learned something here. But, I've gotta complain about the sequence. Going from the Pantera to that three wheeled Reliant thing gave me whiplash. Eyelash, I guess is what I'm trying to say. No, that's something else. Anyway, I call foul on such a harsh transition.
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    Image of mustang5507 mustang5507
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    If you include the GM D-body (B-body as well...), you MUST include Ford's Panther and Fox platforms, as Panther is still in production from 1979, and the Fox lasted from 79-04 in its basic form. And speaking of Ford, I believe the current E-series is going into its 20th year soon, que no?
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    Image of The Dead Inside Grp. Co. Ltd. The Dead Inside Grp. Co. Ltd.
    09/27/09

    @mustang5507:
    Good points re: Panther
    The Fox doesn't hit 20 years
    The Econoline is van and vans are trucks.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/27/09

    @The Dead Inside Grp. Co. Ltd.: The Panther was rebodied even more so than the D-body Cadillac for '92, and there were serious chassis modifications sometime during the Clinton administration that Murilee will be by shortly to inform you of.
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    Image of Phaedrus Phaedrus
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    I still maintain that a jeep is not a truck.
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    09/27/09

    @Phaedrus: Granted, but it's not a car either: it's a Jeep.
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    09/27/09


    @Phaedrus: What were you saying?
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    09/27/09

    @Phaedrus: Of course not...it's a general purpose. Which is not to be confused with your "special purpose". It's just that sometimes, Jeep realized your general purpose was to carry lumber and sheet rock
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    09/27/09

    @Phaedrus: Silly me, I actually have a J10 pickup along with my CJ7. What I actually meant is CJs are not trucks.
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    09/27/09

    @quayzar: Hah! I got my CJ7 from those guys.
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    Image of veronykah veronykah
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    Am I missing something?
    Why is the Celica not on the list?
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    09/27/09

    @veronykah: The Celica had been completely restyled several times, not to mention a switch from RWD to FWD in 1986.
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    09/27/09

    @tonyola: Ah, I knew there was a reason. Completely forgot the rules of the game.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    09/27/09

    In reply to Automotive Survivors Part II: More Cars Made For At Least 20 Years
    Love the two Japanese luxo-barges. Interestingly, the President provided the engine for Datsun's answer to Moby Dick, the ZX Turbo, which was piloted by the likes of Paul Newman and Sam Posey.
    [alex62.typepad.com]
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