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that ain't the way to have fun, son
11/14/09

In reply to 1978 Civic Can't Hang On Long Enough To Be Worth Restoring, Faces Crusher
What's amazing is seeing one of these compared to a current-gen Civic.

This is a proper small car. The current Civic is larger than the first, and probably second, generation Accords. #1978
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Nurburgringer
11/15/09

@that ain't the way to have fun, son:
no kidding. I recently parked my '85 CRX Si next to a newish Civic Si, and the difference in bulk is striking.
2 feet longer and almost 1000lb heavier to accomplish the same task of carrying 4 people (in the Gen 1 hatch version) and providing a smart, fun drive ? Honda, really?
I guess the Fit is left to carry Soichorio's torch

[en.wikipedia.org] #1978
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mechimike
11/14/09

In reply to 1978 Civic Can't Hang On Long Enough To Be Worth Restoring, Faces Crusher
The sheetmetal looks showroom fresh. I was surfing for one of these for a daily driver a few months back. But then I decided to get a Karmann Ghia instead. ;-) #1978
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Ford Tempo Fanatic
11/14/09

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100MPH speedometer? I want that in my Tempo, F-150. #1978
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Novaload
11/14/09

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Wow, it's so clean looking--wonder what catastrophe brought it to this sad impasse? Especially since it still appears to be going 4 mph. #1978
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
11/15/09

@Novaload: That junkyard is just an illusion of your dharma. You think the paint has faded, but the perfection of the Civic cannot be dimmed. #1978
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Novaload
11/15/09

@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: But it can be crushed, Grasshopper, it can be crushed, just like the hopes of the man looking for cheap transportation and finding a black hole of debt. #1978
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Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
11/15/09

@Novaload: But if you do, it will return as the Geely of your night terrors. Beware what you do. #1978
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Novaload
11/15/09

@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I was going to make a terrible pun on the old song, and write "Geely of my dreams, I abhor you..." but I'll refrain. Ooops! "Refrain." LOL. Sorry. My bad. #1978
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FrankGrimes
11/14/09

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holy Crap someone buy this and drop it in a mailbox for me! #1978
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DrLemming
11/10/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
Fun posting. Does the SM really lend itself to retro? I'd prefer that Citroen reconnected with its DS animal spirits. A big part of what made that car iconic was that Citroen took the risk of using cutting-edge aerodynamics. These days no one's doing much innovating on that front. #citroensm
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Miscellanea
11/10/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
Yes, please! Although I argue that I don't want one coming from Asia. I want one straight from the originator itself: Citroen. Same body, just new technology.

Also, kudos for using a picture from one of my favorite architects even if it was in part due to a google image search.

[www.afgh.ch]
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Elhigh
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
The case for a contemporary Citroen SM is very simple: a historical SM. First there is the name: SM may stand for Sport Maserati, yet it may also stand for Sado-Masochism. In either case, the name stands to reason. In this age of growing acceptance of fetishism, this is not a bad thing.

Could the French build it again? Maybe. But the Italians could certainly chip in - one need look no further than a 2003 Fiat Multipla to know that wackiness on the assembly line is still available.

Should the Japanese build it? Probably. But only for a few years, and then sell the tooling and line back to the French. If a Japanese company is allowed to keep at it, they will engineer all the quirks out, and then you'd just have another Camry. Have someone like Daihatsu do the work - they're associated with Toyota on one end, but they're associated with Briggs and Stratton too - nothing like some cheerfully peculiar relationships to keep a Citroen wunderwagen what it ought to be: brilliantly weird. #citroensm
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Mobius
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
Wanted: Grand Tourer:

Job description:
1)Take the suitcase
2)Pick up the wife
3)Get to 70mph
4)Play Mozart all day
5)Stay at 70mph
6)Slow down
7)Pull into Casino Square
8)Show off curves #citroensm
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skitter
11/09/09

@Mobius: Damn, no curves.
I was so close. #citroensm
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F1Morgan
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
I might be stoned for this but is there any chance of an engine swap in the car? Change out the problem bits and you can still drive it... #citroensm
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Elhigh
11/09/09

@F1Morgan: Fie on you!
/looks for stones #citroensm
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Armand
11/09/09

@Elhigh: Here, you can borrow one of my stones.

Also, F1Morgan, no, there's no chance. Even if you did find a more pedestrian motor that will sit behind the SM's gearbox in a longitudinally mounted/ FWD drivetrain, you'll still have to deal with the hydraulics. #citroensm
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evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
Peter, you're totally preaching to the choir here.

But I think Citroen has found enough of it's former zaniness tempered with some actual business acumen to do it themselves. #citroensm
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bzr
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
I would say that the Japanese already did, to a far less exotic extent: the Z32 300ZX was one such grand tourer that, despite its weight, still handled well enough to be interesting, with enough high-tech wizardry to be impressive and enough luxury to be comfortable.

Then again, Nissan is half-owned by Renault. Coincidence? #citroensm
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Maxichamp
11/09/09

@bzr: Does Super HICAS steering = hydropneumatique? #citroensm
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Sloop_John_B
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
I agree with previously stated sentiment of having KoenigSaab do the car. Together they're known for qwerks in car design and batshit crazy sports cars. Put those two ingredients together and you've got the recipe for the next gen Citroen. #citroensm
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brandegee
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM
Well, the same fearlessness that produced the SM also killed Citroen's independence. Between the rotary experiment and lack of product for the upwardly mobile--yes, even the French dreamed of more than the Ami or 2CV--Citroen couldn't weather the storm.

Few companies are in the position to take that kind of risk today, especially those with a stingy board of investors and a soft customer demand. #citroensm
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scroggzilla raids again
11/09/09

In reply to The Case for a Contemporary Citroën SM

Well done, Peter. Of the many things that I like about the SM, the thing I like best is that they rallied them. Sucessfully too. The idea of taking such a technically complex machine and beating the crap out of it on some North African rally stage makes my brain whir. #citroensm
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