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Way to go, Honda. You just completely killed your chances of appealing to today's youth base by making the car a hybrid, and thus somewhat difficult (actually, damn near impossible) for enthusiasts to tune and wrench on.
Mugen, whom I traditionally respect, is now down to trying to sell little more than appearance kits in hopes to appealing to "enthusiasts". This is pathetic. Offer us a gas-only version with the Civic Si engine and I'll forgive you.
The garage is great. The collection is great. But it'd really turn my crank to have his engines. Big ol' oil field stationary engines, some that are replacements with no chassis around them, big steamers, all of them. Put those on stands in the yard and every once in a while, just fire 'em up.
Some of the larger hit-and-miss engines blow a smoke ring when they fire.
Having seen his standup before he was 'known', this is December 1981, in the Hollywood Improv, I can say, even at the age of 11, I appreciated his humor.
It was blue, which didn't bother me, my younger sister, or my father, so it was all good. It caused him to miss a beat, though, which I'll remember forever.
No comedian expects a 9 year old girl to say, after having asked, "is this your dad...I'd better watch my language"
"Him? Fuck 'im."
We had a rule growing up, you can't use a word if you can't spell it. You should have seen our '67 FC Dodge passenger van after my sister practiced how to spell 'fuck' in the dirt.
We shouldn't get too worked up about performance numbers, down the road there likely will be "Si" or "Type R" variant. CR-Z is aimed as a mass market vehicle so the base JDM version should be close to the Insight in terms of power output.
It looks to me the engine is based on a DBA-GE8/GE9 engine mated to an IMA system; which they seem to refer to as the DAA-ZF1. Mugen gets 150ps out the DBA-GE8 and the GE9 makes closer to 120ps in Fit RS, not to mention that the IMA system is fairly modular and could be mated to other more powerful Honda engines as practicality permits.
If this car gets 58mpg in JC08 testing procedures, the car should be within 1-2mpg of the Insight which gets 61mpg on the same tests. The highway mileage should be close if not identical being that JC08 is very urban heavy. So 40mpg+ should be realistically attainable.
The real question is price. If this car is noticeably cheaper then the Insight, maybe in $17~19k range, then this car makes a lot of sense. Its slightly faster then the lethargic Insight, lacks 4 doors and utility, but is a sportier, and a more desirable vehicle. At that price it also leaves room for a "Si" model with more pace higher up in the pricing.
All of you folks carping about the acceleration times are missing the point of the original CRX. It wasn't a drag racer - it was a dinky, moderately-powered, lightweight, danceable sports car that could be rorted around like a go-kart at reasonable speeds. Yes, I said sports car and I meant it. It made even going to the 7-Eleven for a Sunday paper an opportunity for fun. You didn't have to manhandle or wrestle with it to get it to respond - a light touch on the wheels, pedals, and shifter was all that was needed. Ever drive a Sprite, MG Midget, or Spitfire? Or perhaps a first-gen Miata? None of these cars were very hot off the line, yet no-one accuses them of being dull. Ever take one of these on an empty hilly road with lots of tight twisties? Then I think you'll know what I'm talking about. Being able to keep the engine on the cam and tossing the car about without attracting too much unwanted attention. If Honda can keep this spirit in the new CR-Z, then I'll be interested. I'm worried about one thing though - I see no spec for weight. And it's not that tiny - 16 inches longer than the original CRX. I still think Honda should make a version without the hybrid stuff for the would-be autocrossers among us.
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The snout is a little odd and the rest of it looks too much like the Insight. I guess it's an improvement over current Hondas, but then again, that isn't saying much.
This just makes me hope Honda never brings back the Prelude. I don't think I'd be able to handle what they'd do to it.
As for performance, it's not like the old CR-X was particularly fast either. Although, the CR-Z's competition today is far faster in comparison.
Performance is about the same as a base CRX back in the day, which is to say not great but I'm sure it feels peppy because of the size. And it looks good, which is probably more important to the sorority girls who will be driving it. I like the FT-86 just a bit better though.
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Mugen, whom I traditionally respect, is now down to trying to sell little more than appearance kits in hopes to appealing to "enthusiasts". This is pathetic. Offer us a gas-only version with the Civic Si engine and I'll forgive you.
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Some of the larger hit-and-miss engines blow a smoke ring when they fire.
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It was blue, which didn't bother me, my younger sister, or my father, so it was all good. It caused him to miss a beat, though, which I'll remember forever.
No comedian expects a 9 year old girl to say, after having asked, "is this your dad...I'd better watch my language"
"Him? Fuck 'im."
We had a rule growing up, you can't use a word if you can't spell it. You should have seen our '67 FC Dodge passenger van after my sister practiced how to spell 'fuck' in the dirt.
She was maybe six.
/had a unique childhood
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It looks to me the engine is based on a DBA-GE8/GE9 engine mated to an IMA system; which they seem to refer to as the DAA-ZF1. Mugen gets 150ps out the DBA-GE8 and the GE9 makes closer to 120ps in Fit RS, not to mention that the IMA system is fairly modular and could be mated to other more powerful Honda engines as practicality permits.
If this car gets 58mpg in JC08 testing procedures, the car should be within 1-2mpg of the Insight which gets 61mpg on the same tests. The highway mileage should be close if not identical being that JC08 is very urban heavy. So 40mpg+ should be realistically attainable.
The real question is price. If this car is noticeably cheaper then the Insight, maybe in $17~19k range, then this car makes a lot of sense. Its slightly faster then the lethargic Insight, lacks 4 doors and utility, but is a sportier, and a more desirable vehicle. At that price it also leaves room for a "Si" model with more pace higher up in the pricing.
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CR-Why?
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When you said it would be light
It was a lie, lie, lie.
Now that we've seen the car
We're going to CR-Y, CR-Y, CR-Y.
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This just makes me hope Honda never brings back the Prelude. I don't think I'd be able to handle what they'd do to it.
As for performance, it's not like the old CR-X was particularly fast either. Although, the CR-Z's competition today is far faster in comparison.
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