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Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
03/25/09

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THIS CAR IS WIN.
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Elhigh
03/25/09

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46mpg, gobs of power. I see no downside.

Well, besides it being a Honda.
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Six Flags Over Tomsk
03/25/09

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Bad. Ass.
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Cognitive Friction
03/25/09

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Getting smoked by a Honda Insight in the two-lanes-merging-into-one drag race would unquestionably be the event that finally pushed me from "sarcastic website commenter" to "sniper rifle owner/operator"
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damnelantra™
03/25/09

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A strolling player, i believe this is a direct challenge to you sir.

time to respond.
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A strolling player got drunk and
03/25/09

@damnelantra™: Please forward me £10.000 at soonest notice and I will get started on this project right this moment.
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MarywithanM™
03/25/09

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Please to explain 200 *w*hp?
HP I get
BHP I get
WHP not getting
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SirNotAppearing
03/25/09

@MarywithanM the Jalopwinch: Wheel Horsepower.
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kingedwin
03/25/09

@MarywithanM the Jalopwinch: Specifically:

Brake Horsepower: Made at the flywheel. Mostly used by companies to make their cars seem more powerful. Horsepower claims on early muscle cars used this measurement, with not-so-stock intakes and exhaust.

Wheel Horsepower: Made at the drive wheels - the power that actually reaches the ground. Most commonly-used measurement now, because it shows how efficient the drivetrain is, and you can test it with the engine still in the car.
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TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah
03/25/09

@kingedwin: Most muscle cars were underrated in HP claims to help with insurance costs.
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Mad_Science
03/25/09

@kingedwin: Nope. Still wrong. No manufacturer rates anything at the wheels.

In '72, in the US, they switched from SAE Gross to SAE Net.

Gross was sort of a free-for-all on a blueprinted engine with no accessories and non-stock exhaust. Net is still at the flywheel, but with a full load of accessories, and stock exhaust/emissions controls.

Typically, you can figure 15% loss from the crank to the wheels...but it's hard to verify because mfg'rs never publish wheel HP and almost no one takes a car apart to measure crank HP.
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A strolling player got drunk and
03/25/09

@Mad_Science: Slightly more losses for RWD, more than that for AWD, but yeah.
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notfitforhumanconsumption
03/25/09

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With 200+ HP and that drag coefficient, I'm wondering what the top speed is??? Could be insane.
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s0crates82
03/25/09

@notfitforhumanconsumption: it's all about gearing. the real trouble would be whether or not the slippery body produces enough downforce at high speeds, that the car was NEVER designed for, to keep the thing stuck to the road and steerable.
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IN THE FACE!
03/25/09

@s0crates82: I recall hearing that it was designed to have the lowest CD possible and zero lift, so prob not much downforce but not much lift either...
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philipmein
03/25/09

@s0crates82: Are you saying there may actually be a need for an aftermarket spoiler on a Honda?

This whole story is making me question things I never wanted to question.
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IN THE FACE!
03/26/09

@philipmein: There may actually be a need for an aftermarket spoiler on ONE Honda, and this is coming from a Honda owner.

My stock EP3 already has too much down force on the rear end at highway speeds. Much over 100mph and it squats like a hippie chick takin a piss.
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B1663R
03/25/09

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the lack of "/sarcasm" tags in the comments has me worried a bit...

adjusts tinfoil hat...
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SirNotAppearing
03/25/09

@B1663R: What's not to like? It's a lightweight two-seater, now with moar powah. And illegal tint. And the coolest 13" alloys you ever did see.
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B1663R
03/25/09

@SirNotAppearing: SEE? RIGHT THERE!!! there was no way for me to know that you are being sarcastic!!

i was with you being sincere up until the 13" rims part... idunnoanymore!
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IN THE FACE!
03/25/09

@B1663R: Trust me, if you got the chance to drive this car, you would not be looking for /sarcasm tags.
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IN THE FACE!
03/26/09

@SirNotAppearing: "And the coolest 13" alloys you ever did see."

That definitely gets a heart click.
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Hoser Dave
03/25/09

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I like it in this package better.

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6061-Tsix
03/25/09

@Hoser Dave: that does look fun. F/R weight bias?
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IN THE FACE!
03/25/09

@6061-Tsix: just bring a friend, and both of you can ride in the back seats (it wouldn't be too hard to drive a mini from the back seat, would it?).
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tekamul
03/25/09

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What, they couldn't find a K23A1?? Needs more turbo

And it should've been citrus green. I'd post a photo, but it doesn't do the paint justice
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IN THE FACE!
03/25/09

@tekamul: I've heard the tuners are having really good luck with the updated Z3 head.

So much so, that I am trying to figure out if I could swap the A3 head on my EP3 for the Z3, but if the Z3 won't fit I'll be looking into an A1 for sure...
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Paul Y. can't get in the club; gotta parking lot pimp
03/25/09

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I think I've seen this before, and it's awesome.

So, why can't we have small, light, relatively safe modern cars that are a hoot to drive, yet efficient? Anyone?

Oh, right-- focus groups and marketing departments that tell us we don't want them so often, that most people believe it.
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engineerd
03/25/09

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That is a more proper use for an Insight. Take a car designed for fuel economy (read: low Cd, lightweight) and put a decent engine in it. Performance, economy and smug, all in one package!
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mr_dude
03/25/09

@engineerd: Could just take a decent-engined car with a low Cd and trim some fat.
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engineerd
03/25/09

@mr_dude: You don't get the same smug-factor, though. This, from the outside, still looks like a smug-inducing hybrid.
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A strolling player got drunk and
03/25/09

@f*cking engineerd: Hahaha. Nice handle. I'm using that.

You don't mind.
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IN THE FACE!
03/26/09

@f*cking engineerd: STAY OUTTA MY POSTS! (see above)

also, j/k. :P
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.357
03/25/09

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That is awesome. The greenies won't hate you, and after 3500 rpm, you'll have a reasonably fast car.
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SirNotAppearing
03/25/09

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A strolling player, are you taking notes?
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A strolling player got drunk and
03/25/09

@SirNotAppearing: This is a completely different concept! I'm gonna put a stonk-ass V8 in the back!

Do you for real think a lightweight FF is better? I don't. That's boring, and too easy.
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Jo Schmo
03/25/09

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Imagine how green you will be when VTEC kicks in Yo!
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