As a Rootes Group nerd (I mean, "enthusiast") I love it, even if the rusted sills look very, very bad for a British unibody car. I'd rather have a Minx wagon, but this will do in a pinch. #rootesgroup
Does anyone know why Loewy would so blatantly copy the 1953-54 Studebaker's design for the Minx? Was there an attempt to sell the Minx in the US through Studebaker dealers? If not, that seems like a lazy thing for a design consultant to do.
The irony is that the Minx has a better-balanced look than the Studebaker sedans. Although the low-slung Starliner coupes were stunningly beautiful, the sedans were considerably taller -- and downright ugly. #rootesgroup
@DrLemming: There was never any link between Studebaker and the Rootes Group besides their affiliation with Loewy and a little legal wrangling over who had the trademark to the name "Hawk." The lack of stylistic differentiation between the Minx and the Studebakers does seem lazy on Loewy's part, but it wasn't unique. Pininfarina used pretty much the same design for the Peugeot 404, Lancia Flaminia and Austin Westminster, and Bertone's small '60s sedans for Datsun and Mazda looked an awful lot like their Alfas. #rootesgroup
@Armand: Also, the big Fiat 1800/2300 shared the same styling concept as the 404 and BMC Farinas. As for the Bertone connection between the Alfa Romeo and the Mazda, the Mazda 1500/1800 body was originally intended for the 1967 Alfa 1750. Alfa turned it down, so Bertone sold the style to Mazda, and it doesn't look like a lot of changes were made. #rootesgroup
@DrLemming: The Vauxhalls of the time looked like shrunken '58 Chevys. English Fords looked like various American Fords left in the dryer too long. Over in Germany, NSU was blatantly ripping off the '60 Corvair. The US was the style leader. So Loewy worked with what he knew. He was not the only designer of the time to recycle his themes for another company. The '64 Imperial shares some lines with the '61 Lincoln for a reason. #rootesgroup
Can't argue with that two-tone paint job. Just perfect. And four cylinders looks about right for that critter. The rear looks like a 1960 Mercury, the front--old Ford? And all shrunk down to a handy traveling size. I'll take two. #rootesgroup
@Instructor: The first gen R5 was built in Iran until 2000. Parts of it were still in production in 2006 as the Pars Khondro Sepand P.K. (on a Kia Pride chassis, no less).
Hey Murilee, just in case you haven't thrown your laptop against the wall in frustration, I have another candidate for Part II: The Lotus Esprit, produced from 1976 to.... what? A week ago yesterday? :-)
Maybe you need another list (who knows, you might be a masochist) of "Longest running exotics". Surely the Pantera and Esprit would be near the top of the list, along with the Countach, Diablo and Jaguar E-type. Of course, some clown would STILL want the Jeep CJ on the list. :-)
Because it seems there’s not enough people trying to make you bang your head against the wall Murilee, why don’t you try taking a look at some of the 20+ year runs of some Bristol models?
@BLeyland: I was just searching their terribly limited pool of information. Basically, a continuous chassis needs to be confirmed between the Brigand/Britannia (603 S3) and Blenheim (603 S4). This seems quite plausible, and the even more likely 603-603 S3 link would just be showing off. As it stands, each just seems to be a mild restyle and rename, with a few variables in drivetrain and suspension.
Sorry, but world's "oldest" car made in same factory and assembly line is VAZ 2121 Niva. First car came 1977 and still in production. 32 years, no other car can't beat that record. IF, it can be M-B G-Wagen.
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The Niva (2121) was Lada's (VAZ/AvtoVAZ) first non-Fiat based model. Much of its mechanicals are carried over from the Fiat based Lada models, though the body, four-wheel drive system, and front suspension were designed by Lada. Production began in 1977 and continues today (as of 2008) with only minor changes to the engine, rear hatch design, and interior trim levels.
it holds first place but im a little disappointed that you didn't count the Beetle as running thru present day. I will accept it due to a serious lack of interchangeability between the New & Old Beetle. The distinctive body is still essentially the same however.
And yes (as I am sure a few realized by reading the article) you could have same production year New & Old beetles sitting in your driveway if you knew where to find an old beetle dealer!
Sorry to say it, but you have missed the Morgan 4/4. It was initially built in 1936, and barring the years during the war has been built every day since. They are still available new, just not in the U.S. where safety restrictions prevent it being imported, or so I last read.
Even with those stipulations are you sure the Crown Vic doesn't make that list? I can't think of a substantial upgrade to the Panther platform has received, and it still has that 4.6L Modular V8 from 1992.
@ndhapple: Most pre-92 Panther chassis components won't fit my '97 P71, plus the rear suspension had a major revision for the '98 model year (19 years after the first Panther cars).
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The irony is that the Minx has a better-balanced look than the Studebaker sedans. Although the low-slung Starliner coupes were stunningly beautiful, the sedans were considerably taller -- and downright ugly. #rootesgroup
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@Armand: Also, the big Fiat 1800/2300 shared the same styling concept as the 404 and BMC Farinas. As for the Bertone connection between the Alfa Romeo and the Mazda, the Mazda 1500/1800 body was originally intended for the 1967 Alfa 1750. Alfa turned it down, so Bertone sold the style to Mazda, and it doesn't look like a lot of changes were made. #rootesgroup
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/mouthbreathing creepiness #rootesgroup
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@Novaload: Apparently the two-tone paint job was known by Hillman as "The Gay Look". #rootesgroup
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Maybe you need another list (who knows, you might be a masochist) of "Longest running exotics". Surely the Pantera and Esprit would be near the top of the list, along with the Countach, Diablo and Jaguar E-type. Of course, some clown would STILL want the Jeep CJ on the list. :-)
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Wikipedia:
The Niva (2121) was Lada's (VAZ/AvtoVAZ) first non-Fiat based model. Much of its mechanicals are carried over from the Fiat based Lada models, though the body, four-wheel drive system, and front suspension were designed by Lada. Production began in 1977 and continues today (as of 2008) with only minor changes to the engine, rear hatch design, and interior trim levels.
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also, the mk2 passat was called the "quantum" here in the states
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The photo of the MK2 Passat is taken from this Jalopnik Quantum post.
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And yes (as I am sure a few realized by reading the article) you could have same production year New & Old beetles sitting in your driveway if you knew where to find an old beetle dealer!
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I do respect the New Jettle, but it's not the same at all (aside from the shape and the budvase).
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Carry on.
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