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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 R Now Less Likely To Kill Racers
    Niche, much?
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    11/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 R Now Less Likely To Kill Racers
    Ass-engined Nazi slot car. On tranquilisers.
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    Image of Leeeeena the Jalopchick Leeeeena the Jalopchick
    10/28/09

    In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
    Don't forget the GT3 RS only comes with a six-speed manual (as do the ZR-1 and Viper ACR). If Porsche were to equip a GT3 RS with their new PDK system, it would probably be a lot closer to the GT-R's time, considering that it shaved 8 seconds off a 2009 Carrera S' Nordschleife time vs. a manually-equipped one.
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    Edited by Leeeeena the Jalopchick at 10/28/09 5:22 PM Leeeeena the Jalopchick was starred Leeeeena the Jalopchick was unstarred
    Image of JoeHardrock JoeHardrock
    10/28/09

    In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
    Aren't we all forgetting a certain Dodge that managed to run the 'Ring faster than all the others?
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    Pessimippopotamus promoted this comment JoeHardrock was starred JoeHardrock was unstarred
    Image of PowerTryp, Starless wonder. PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
    10/28/09

    In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
    Nice Porsche, whats it's ring ti...
    oh wait. #ringwars
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    vwminispeedster, pronounded Si-trow-in promoted this comment PowerTryp, Starless wonder. was starred PowerTryp, Starless wonder. was unstarred
    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    10/28/09

    In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
    Remember you can run that 7.33 consistency without failure, insane service costs and loss of warranty coverage. #ringwars
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    Image of guycharlesvalois guycharlesvalois
    10/28/09

    @Steve_in_NC: get a life.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    10/28/09

    @guycharlesvalois: Dammit. I promoted you before seeing this comment. #ringwars
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    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    10/28/09


    @Steve_in_NC: Hey you guys, remember not to dragon the gtr in public.
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    Edited by Steve_in_NC at 10/28/09 2:04 PM Steve_in_NC was starred Steve_in_NC was unstarred
    Image of uncleben uncleben
    10/28/09

    In reply to Porsche 911 GT3 RS Claims 7:33 'Ring Run, Still Doesn't Beat GT-R
    I really don't know how Godzilla is capable of doing it. It is a heavy underpowered car. Amy must really be capable.

    But still that time does seem suspect.
    Maybe I'm just not that educated about the car and its capabilities.
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    Edited by uncleben at 10/28/09 10:47 AM uncleben was starred uncleben was unstarred
    Image of avanti5010 avanti5010
    10/28/09

    @uncleben: Yes, you are not educated about the car and its capabilities. Like most people you know very little about the GT-R, but have a lot to say about it. Get educated before opening your mouth. #ringwars
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    Image of uncleben uncleben
    10/28/09

    @avanti5010: Slow down champ. Where is all this unwarranted hostilities coming from? I merely made a statement based on a observation and said that I do need to educate myself about this car. I never tired to put the car down, but merely stated that by looking at it I do not think it was so capable.

    I just hoped that someone would take their time to help me understand why the car is as good as it is. Which "Power Tryp forever" has done and you have not.

    I do have one request:
    Don't cluster me with the Porsche fanboys out there. The ZR1 is still faster so I am happy and I don't want to get involved in the quarrel you Nissan fans have with Porsche fans. #ringwars
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    Image of dragon951 dragon951
    10/28/09

    @uncleben: It's the classic tale of a car that is magnificent in design, yet poorly executed to save a buck. The GT-R design was a good one, but in order to cut costs and be cheaper than the rest, they appear to have used cheaper materials. This would refer not only to the grenaded transmission joke (cause nothing says a cheap car like buying a new $20k tranny), but to the general expense of maintenance (I'm looking at you $2000 tranny fluid every 18k miles). Then there are non-Jalop complaints like Evo's test where the demo car they had already had cracking brake disks.

    This car has the same components you will find in a Porsche cup car (their actual race cars) sans the sequential six and full cage. So you can be assured it will run around the 'ring all day (as it does at the Nurburgring 24 and countless other endurance races), whereas the GTR race car is completely different from the street car (it doesn't even have the same kind of engine).

    Then there is the whole issue of a lack of third party verification on the Nissan 'ring time. Porsche is famous for its production cars always achieving the claimed performance figures (in fact, they usually undershoot their claims). This has been verified on every last one of their cars, as they have been running the 'ring since before it was cool. This whole tiff started when Porsche walked into a random US Nissan dealership and bought a GT-R, then shipped it home to verify the time. The best they could manage was in the 7:50s. So far, no one has been able to replicate Nissan's time. Add to this that several magazines (I think Motor Trend was one) dynoed their demo car and found it had been tarted up a bit to wow the reviewers (which isn't all that uncommon). This all leads to the conclusion that the GT-R you buy will probably not be able to turn in a 'ring time of 7:26 or 7:29, but the average car owner (myself included) doesn't have the skill to max out the car anyways.

    The final straw would be the warranty issue, where Nissan's clearly states that using your launch control will void the warranty as will dynoing it or taking it to a race track. Therefore, if you drive it in any way other than strictly to the letter of the law, the GT-R's data recorder will tell the Dealership next check-up, and ipso facto, warranty retracto. Contrast this to Porsche, which offers trackday and driver's ed (the race track kind, not the passenger brake kind) courses from the dealership, and will warrant it absolutely so long as you don't try to upgrade parts (although who knows how long that will last once VW has had their way).

    The end result is a Porsche may be expensive, but it's not just a mark-up. You get what you pay for, and GT-R owners paid for a house on sand.

    Oh, and do group me in with the Porsche fanboys: there is no substitute. #ringwars
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    FTGDWolverineEdition'09 promoted this comment dragon951 was starred dragon951 was unstarred
    Image of Leeeeena the Jalopchick Leeeeena the Jalopchick
    10/28/09

    @dragon951: I am so glad someone promoted your comment. Thank you for being level-headed and reasonable in this thread! #ringwars
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    Image of layabout layabout
    08/20/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    It's an RS Porsche.........WANT!
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    Image of Earl_of_Gumout Earl_of_Gumout
    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    Amazing how the 356 has evolved ; )
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    Mobius says welcome back! promoted this comment Earl_of_Gumout was starred Earl_of_Gumout was unstarred
    Image of Mobius Mobius
    08/19/09

    @Earl_of_Gumout: Amazing how fast modern Beetles are. ;)
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    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    If I want a race car for the street, I want it to look like a damn race car. Porsche has just delivered.
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    Image of Septhinox Septhinox
    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    The U.S. one won't have the factory cage though right?
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    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment Septhinox was starred Septhinox was unstarred
    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    08/19/09

    @Septhinox: Probably. But, I am sure that could be remedied rather easily.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    Introducing the new Porsche 911 Scaffolding Edition.
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    Image of MaWeiTao MaWeiTao
    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    I think this car looks damn cool and I generally dislike most body kits. It looks like a track car, which it is, and features a creative use of color.
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    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment MaWeiTao was starred MaWeiTao was unstarred
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    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    I can only imagine what it's like to be a Porsche owner who has been trained over the last 40 years to salivate over slightly modified bodywork and annual power increases of .03%.
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    Image of skitter skitter
    08/19/09

    @weatherman: At least with the GT3s there is never the worry that it will be softer and duller than the previous version.
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    Image of dialing_wand dialing_wand
    08/19/09

    In reply to 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Track-Ready, Street-Legal And More Power
    Porsche's new design philosophy:
    1. Find your inner 5-year old.
    2. Hand it crayons.
    3. Profit.

    I can hear every kid in Grade 3 trash talking the Veyron now. Except the gold-plated one with the diamond wheels. That'll get all the grade 5 girls.
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