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Beck is such an absolutely ridiculous person.
1) That language was taken from esc.gov, not cars.gov, and only applied to dealerships who logged on to the site, not the general government simply viewing it. (shocking Glenn is either an idiot or liar)
2) The language was removed on August 3rd because, as Sasha Johnson (DOT spokeswoman) says: "It would be factually inaccurate to say that any computer that went to cars.gov would become the property of the U.S. government."
Similar broad, generic and alarming to the unstable conspiracy nut, type wording can be found in your Windows (and Mac, I'm sure) EULA.
The real story here is that someone on Fox said someone who participates with CARS is "trying to be a good citizen and make a charitable contribution, do something that's good" and wasn't challenged or called a DAMN COMMIE. Beck's going soft.
@jumpthesnark: What he meant to say was "anyone going to cars.gov and using the Cash for Clunkers program is the ghost of, known communist Mexican Kenyan, Karl Marx."
So what you're saying, is that I can spout random scary bullshit, blame the government and liberals for everything, and I'll get my own TV show and millions of dollars?
Jackpot.
I'm sorry but something about what Mr. Beck seems to make some sense. In our pervasive, computer connected world, who really owns anything? According to Amazon, if you download a book, you are just licensing it from them. Until recently, anything designed on Google Chrome was property of Google, even if it had absolutely nothing to do with Google other than the use of their browser. For businesses, I'm not 100% okay with this, but if I don't like it, I'll just not buy their products. Simple as that.
When it comes to the government, though, I am of a completely different mindset. The warning they put on it might just be boiler plate info, but it really gets into some serious civil liberty issues. Normally, in order for a government agency to get a look at the files on my computer, they have to get a judge to sign a warrant granting them permission to dig around my personal, digital property. This right can be waived if the citizen gives tacit permission to the Gov. The agreement on the CARS system does just that. It grants the government whole sale permission to copy your hard drive and view any of the files in it.
Now they might not be doing that now, and the thought maybe didn't occur to anyone in the DOT to do so, but the fact remains that it becomes a perfectly legal way to snoop into someone's privacy under the guise of fraud prevention, which in itself is an assault of our personal freedoms.
Glenn Beck might have blown this entire thing out of proportion, but then again, this isn't the first time little things like this can snowball into loss of rights. Take the Underwood Tariff act of 1913. It levied an income tax 1 percent on those making more than $3000 a year, and a 6% surtax on those making more than $500'000. By 1918, the top annual income tax rate was 77%. By 1932, it was 92%. President Wilson assured everyone that this number would go up to at most five and ten percent when this Tariff act was passed.
I personally believe you can't trust the government, regardless of who is in power. The government is at times like an evil, and manipulative child. Give it an inch, and it will take all of your personal liberties.
"...but it does make us wonder what files are on Beck's laptop."
My guesses:
- the complete set of audio mp3s of Dr. Peter Beter.
- "Daily Affirmations" from the "In Touch With My Feelings" series
- James Forrestal's unpublished memoires
- Online order widgets for Chuck E. Cheeze and Popeye's Chicken
- L. Ron Hubbard's "I did it...And So Can You!"
- multiple Twitter "Follow Me" apps
- Notes on how to negate David Icke's & Christine Fitzgerald's theories with the public ("Lord Draco will be proud!")
- his initial rough draft of "1001 Projects With Ju Ju Bees"
- Scanned copies of his Teen Beat collection to be OCR'd later.
- Barcode tatoo rear/write software
- Many, many photochops of Keith Olbermann.
Mr. Beck is right in warning the public, but not for alarming them. He knows better than anyone that: A.) the government never does what it says it will do, and B.) it is too incompetent to do it.
@flat_tar: You know how I know that virtually no crazy conspiracy theories are true?
It's because the federal government is just not that competent or efficient. Plain and simple.
As usual, Republican (as opposed to conservative) pundits scream like crazy homeless men on street corners, except they're mostly showered and in button-down shirts. This is nothing new.
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what kind of morons would watch, listen to, believe, and/or enjoy watching glenn beck and/or fox news? this is not just scare tactics, it's hate propaganda at its worst
It may be "standard boilerplate" and it may be "a carelessly written statement created by some bureaucrat." But it says what it says. Far be it from the government to ever take advantage of something like that..nooooo
@CopterBob: you seem to be missing the point that they stated just logging onto the website would basically give the government control of your computer. Nevermind the fact, that portion of the site is for DEALERS ONLY. you know...the people that are entering into contracts with the federal government to do CFC, and dealers have access to federal databases due to the program. Am I worried? No, I am not a car dealer.
@Saboth: What are you doing? I substitute your reasoned analysis with my more exciting one.
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Oh noes! The muslin furrin born preznit is tryin ta git in mah computer and watch me! The only thing I'm tradin' my clunkerz in on is more gunz.
There, that's more appropriate for a discussion involving Glenn Beck. Don't get me started on Lou Dobbs' latest shenanigans.
Beck has been pWNED! etc.
What you'd be better advised to be concerned about is the ongoing NSA program to monitor all telephone and internet traffic, particularly those with one leg in foreign countries, that seems to be archiving streams wholesale and analyzed to detect keywords, usage patterns, and links to other persons of interest. That's your Big Brother right there.
But since that's a proto-fascist activity it doesn't concern beck and his buddies.
ZAAARRRS! The problem with this paranoia is that clueless people like my grandpa will see this, and then call me to make sure that the government doesn't own his computer. Remember, these are the guys who voted for the patriot act. Good God Almighty!
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If there was a "National Village Idiot" position, I'd vote for Beck in a heartbeat.
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1) That language was taken from esc.gov, not cars.gov, and only applied to dealerships who logged on to the site, not the general government simply viewing it. (shocking Glenn is either an idiot or liar)
2) The language was removed on August 3rd because, as Sasha Johnson (DOT spokeswoman) says: "It would be factually inaccurate to say that any computer that went to cars.gov would become the property of the U.S. government."
Similar broad, generic and alarming to the unstable conspiracy nut, type wording can be found in your Windows (and Mac, I'm sure) EULA.
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When it comes to the government, though, I am of a completely different mindset. The warning they put on it might just be boiler plate info, but it really gets into some serious civil liberty issues. Normally, in order for a government agency to get a look at the files on my computer, they have to get a judge to sign a warrant granting them permission to dig around my personal, digital property. This right can be waived if the citizen gives tacit permission to the Gov. The agreement on the CARS system does just that. It grants the government whole sale permission to copy your hard drive and view any of the files in it.
Now they might not be doing that now, and the thought maybe didn't occur to anyone in the DOT to do so, but the fact remains that it becomes a perfectly legal way to snoop into someone's privacy under the guise of fraud prevention, which in itself is an assault of our personal freedoms.
Glenn Beck might have blown this entire thing out of proportion, but then again, this isn't the first time little things like this can snowball into loss of rights. Take the Underwood Tariff act of 1913. It levied an income tax 1 percent on those making more than $3000 a year, and a 6% surtax on those making more than $500'000. By 1918, the top annual income tax rate was 77%. By 1932, it was 92%. President Wilson assured everyone that this number would go up to at most five and ten percent when this Tariff act was passed.
I personally believe you can't trust the government, regardless of who is in power. The government is at times like an evil, and manipulative child. Give it an inch, and it will take all of your personal liberties.
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My guesses:
- the complete set of audio mp3s of Dr. Peter Beter.
- "Daily Affirmations" from the "In Touch With My Feelings" series
- James Forrestal's unpublished memoires
- Online order widgets for Chuck E. Cheeze and Popeye's Chicken
- L. Ron Hubbard's "I did it...And So Can You!"
- multiple Twitter "Follow Me" apps
- Notes on how to negate David Icke's & Christine Fitzgerald's theories with the public ("Lord Draco will be proud!")
- his initial rough draft of "1001 Projects With Ju Ju Bees"
- Scanned copies of his Teen Beat collection to be OCR'd later.
- Barcode tatoo rear/write software
- Many, many photochops of Keith Olbermann.
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It's because the federal government is just not that competent or efficient. Plain and simple.
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ahem...
Oh noes! The muslin furrin born preznit is tryin ta git in mah computer and watch me! The only thing I'm tradin' my clunkerz in on is more gunz.
There, that's more appropriate for a discussion involving Glenn Beck. Don't get me started on Lou Dobbs' latest shenanigans.
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What you'd be better advised to be concerned about is the ongoing NSA program to monitor all telephone and internet traffic, particularly those with one leg in foreign countries, that seems to be archiving streams wholesale and analyzed to detect keywords, usage patterns, and links to other persons of interest. That's your Big Brother right there.
But since that's a proto-fascist activity it doesn't concern beck and his buddies.
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