That body kit and paint job is writing a check the performance can't cash.
If I pulled up next to this thing at a light I'd be fooled into thinking that so much exterior upgrading must mean he's got some real nice engine goodies.
@jbh11126: Not sure why I am feeding the trolls, but a Neon SXT 0-60 per allpar.com is either 8.1 or 7.9. A gas GTI stock is 200hp, so a tuned GTD at 190 should perform similarly (especially when you factor in the torque increase). A GTI without x-diff does 0-60 stock in the mid 6s (low 6s with DSG). Not sure if the diesels get x-diff, but either way I don't see how the neon is going to make up the 1.5 second difference.....
This isn't your 1977 47hp rabbit diesel with the 3+1 gearbox.
@jbh11126: Ummm... not really. I think you may need a little refresher on that physics from high school. Low end easily beats it. Top end may have a race, depending on gearing. But no one is driving around on surface streets at 140MPH. Unless you are auditioning to be the new sex toy in the local pokey.
@brandegee: Without the slightest doubt in my mind, the Tempo. Actually, I wouldn't be too surprised if the only vehicle to survive the apocolypse is in fact, the diesel-powered Tempo.
I almost love it, but VW did most of the work. That's both good and bad.
I know it's sacrilege, but I really like the looks of the 4-door Golfs more than the 2-door (in the MkV and MkVI versions). Makes the car more competitive with the MS3, as well.
@Archon: Sorry... that slapping noise you heard was a collective ::facepalm::
As pointed out above, the only way to figure on pricing for a car released internationally is to compare it to a model in that country that is available in the US, figure an approximate percentage difference between the models, and apply that percentage difference to the price of the US model. Got it? Good.
GTD? Well, it's better than getting charged with GTA or breaking your GTR, but it's no GTI, let alone a GTO or GTB. But then again you could daily drive it with a GTV or GTX in the garage and you'd be GTG.
FUCK!! i was all set to order the new GTI, now i have to wait till April to see if there is word that this will come out within a year stateside.
if it does, and is the same price as the GTI, then I'll get this instead... diesel is cheaper in Canada then regular gas, often offering 3 cents per liter off with the purchase of 100 liters, hope it can hold 3 jerry cans in the hatch!
This really pisses me off, why cant GM or Ford sell diesel's in America? The 2009 Saab 9-3 with a 1.9 turbo diesel is clean, and gets an USA equivlent of 44.4MPG on the highway. But you cant buy it in the US! Europe, Austrailia, but not here! The new BMW 335d only gets 36 on the highway, and its the same size. Same with the diesel versions of the cadillac BLS, and Opel Insignia. If they sold those I would buy one right away. If they want to make saab a moneymaker and competitive, they could go the diesel approach and take on the BMW and Volkswagan head to head.
@mschuplin: Cuz it takes too much money to certify diesels for U.S, the mfrs just can't be bothered. However, there are a slew of diesels waiting just around the corner. They will come. Eventually.
That's some peppy performance for that gas mileage...that's hybrid territory as far as mpg, but 2 seconds off the 0-60. Now, does anyone know of VW's *abyssmal* reliability has gone up over the past few years?
@Saboth: I could talk about VW reliability for days, but it's YMMV.
For most of the crew on this blog, basic-intermediate DIY ability negates about 80% of the hassles and costs associated with the popular reputation. For your average hands-off appliance driver, I'd be reluctant to recommend one.
@The Black Bottle: They always seem to do quite a bit better in UK/European surveys than here in the States. My only guesses are that they don't hold up as well against the higher average mileage, lower maintenance expectations, and terrible road quality on this side of the pond.
But they're a LOT better than they were 10 years ago.
@NewbiusMaximus: I'm more a user of "in-gear acceleration" and love to drive around at 1,500rpm without bogging the engine--which the diesel does well. I absolutely love the 2.0t engine, but it's got a little different character to it.
I don't think I've actually done 0-60 in real life in at least a year. But 20-40, 60-80.....all the time.
@Ash78: @boot shrew: I still don't fully understand how the guys on Top Gear (or two of them anyway) seem to have such an aversion to diesels in a country full of them, unless it's the 0-60 performance aspect. I always think about Clarkson when I hear someone complain of no passenger diesels in America.
@parramore64: Part of it is "grass is greener". Another part of it is market penetration. A few years ago, diesels hit the 50% mark for passenger cars in the UK. And most of those were the much more economical, anemic diesels--not the more performance-oriented versions like VW and BMW offer now.
The tech has changed a lot in the past few years, so perception always lags--especially in a place where most diesels are bought solely for economic reasons.
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Why does every car these days have to shout "look at me?" I do miss discreet performance. Maybe I am getting old.
Some simple style to balance out the ABT Golf.
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If I pulled up next to this thing at a light I'd be fooled into thinking that so much exterior upgrading must mean he's got some real nice engine goodies.
Then I'd smoke him in my roomates Neon SXT.
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This isn't your 1977 47hp rabbit diesel with the 3+1 gearbox.
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I guess this might maybe be quicker than my roomate's neon. Maybe.
You folks may have forgotten that the SXT model is special because it comes with a factory spoiler.
This spoiler in fact brings wheel horsepower up to around 400.
It also automatically takes 3 seconds of the 0-60 time.
#tips
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So it helps me a lot.
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I know it's sacrilege, but I really like the looks of the 4-door Golfs more than the 2-door (in the MkV and MkVI versions). Makes the car more competitive with the MS3, as well.
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It's a nice package, but anywhere over 30 and it's going to be a hard sell in the states.
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As pointed out above, the only way to figure on pricing for a car released internationally is to compare it to a model in that country that is available in the US, figure an approximate percentage difference between the models, and apply that percentage difference to the price of the US model. Got it? Good.
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if it does, and is the same price as the GTI, then I'll get this instead... diesel is cheaper in Canada then regular gas, often offering 3 cents per liter off with the purchase of 100 liters, hope it can hold 3 jerry cans in the hatch!
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For most of the crew on this blog, basic-intermediate DIY ability negates about 80% of the hassles and costs associated with the popular reputation. For your average hands-off appliance driver, I'd be reluctant to recommend one.
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But they're a LOT better than they were 10 years ago.
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Story of my life.
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"Hey, do you know anybody with AIDS? No? Good, 'cause you know me!"
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I don't think I've actually done 0-60 in real life in at least a year. But 20-40, 60-80.....all the time.
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The tech has changed a lot in the past few years, so perception always lags--especially in a place where most diesels are bought solely for economic reasons.