I personally think that a South African proudly stating with a straight face he owns the last Volkswagen Citi Billabong ever built would be the height of awesomeness. [www.vw.co.za]#vwgolf
The first-gen Golf was the near-perfect in-town car.
Small, light, roomy as hell, and ultra simple. The diesel version, while painfully slow and loud, came with its own built-in smokescreen capability and got like 50 MPG. Plus, it needed no anti-theft system. Who'd bother...and you'd be able to catch 'em on foot.
Nowadays, 2,000 lbs. is just the add-on crap in a small car.
"But where are my 43 air bags and my dual 9" DVD monitors?"
@I was drivin' that Model A: I knew a guy who had one of the diesels. Yeah, gutless, but still kinda fun to drive. He lent it to some moron who thought he was being thoughtful when he filled the tank before returning it. With gasoline, of course. Probably wasn't the first or last time that ever happened. #vwgolf
@layabout:
I wonder what the differences are between these and the ones that rolled out of the factory in PA back in the day. (aside from the whole steering wheel thing) #vwgolf
@Tiberiuswise: Notice how the grille is slightly leaned back from vertical on the pictured car, like on the Mark II Golf. All original Mk. I Golfs/Rabbits had strictly vertical grilles. The US-made version got rectangular headlights, wraparound front signal lights, wide taillights, and an interior that was color-coordinated to hell and back. #vwgolf
@tonyola: By "pictured car", I mean the car featured in the article, not my posted picture, which is an '82 US-made Rabbit. My edit pencil turned up missing. #vwgolf
@tonyola:
Also, the wheels look pushed out a little on the black one in the post. I'm tempted to think some suspension and other engineering refinements were made. #vwgolf
@Tiberiuswise: I'm sure that there were some minor engineering changes for US production. Also, the wraparound turn signals and wide taillights were only on the 1981 and later cars. The '79-'80 Rabbits had more Euro-like front end and rear lights, though still with rectangular headlights. #vwgolf
Like Ben said, GM did it the right way. Not only can you drive 40 miles on electricity alone, but because the engine is not directly connected to the drivetrain, it provides additional benefits.
Now I'm not sure how GM is going to use this advantage, but being that it is only running to charge the batteries, you could benefit by only running the engine at its most efficient operating conditions (Wide open throttle, peak torque, etc.), unlike a normal engine which has to run over its entire range of operating conditions, with most of them way below peak efficiency.
@Eiknujrac: Like Ben said, GM did it the right way. ... being that it [the engine] is only running to charge the batteries.
But that's not what Ben said and that's not how the Volt works. Ben wrote "It doesn't make sense to charge the batteries and drive the wheels." When the Volt's battery pack runs down to ~50% state of charge, the engine runs to generate electricity to power the motor to turn the wheels. Volt chief engineer Andrew Farah says "We’re going to tune the system to operate efficiently at a few points" and they can route any electricity generated beyond the instantanteous demand of the motor to the batteries, but the Volt is not trying to return the batteries to full charge. Should the batteries get to 80+%, maybe because you slammed on the brakes or drove downhill for a while, then the engine will turn off and the batteries will take over again.
Take all of this with a grain of salt since NO ONE outside of GM has driven a Volt with a depleted battery pack, but gm-volt.com is reporting the engineers' latest thinking.
You want to recharge a battery at home where electricity is cheapest - otherwise we'd all run gasoline generators to power our homes!
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GM wants to get you where you're going with the cheapest energy source available. For the first 40 miles, that's electricity, for the rest of the available range, that's gasoline. It doesn't make sense to charge the batteries and drive the wheels. Drive the wheels with the e-motors, keep it simple without some complex engine decoupling mechanism.
When you get home, plug in the car and juice the batteries with cheap electricity instead of filling them up with expensive gasoline generated electricity.
I had a friend a few years ago that had one of these with an SVO conversion on it. Whole 9-yards too, dual tank, heater coil in the oil tank, combo filter/pump so he could tank up direct from grease-vats...
And it smelled like fresh french-fries whenever he was burning the SVO...
I think it had somewhere around 250k mi when he bought it and did the SVO conversion, and he had put on another 100k last I heard...
I am going to guess diesel was 50 cents a gallon in 1981. That means you would pay a penny a mile to go on a road trip at 50 MPG. 1000 mile round trip = $10.00. Drive across America 3000 miles = $30.00.
Go up a bit if diesel was higher and you still wnd up with some incredibly low costs for road tripping! Will we ever have it so good again?
You can't go wrong with a VW diesel. They get 50mpg and last forever! As for range, look at the trip odometer (reset at last fillup) and the fuel gauge.
The first ones, like Murilee's find, are even better. Not as quick but even more durable with better mileage.
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[www.vw.co.za] #vwgolf
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Small, light, roomy as hell, and ultra simple. The diesel version, while painfully slow and loud, came with its own built-in smokescreen capability and got like 50 MPG. Plus, it needed no anti-theft system. Who'd bother...and you'd be able to catch 'em on foot.
Nowadays, 2,000 lbs. is just the add-on crap in a small car.
"But where are my 43 air bags and my dual 9" DVD monitors?"
Sigh. #vwgolf
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I hope the last ones are all GTi-s #vwgolf
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I wonder what the differences are between these and the ones that rolled out of the factory in PA back in the day. (aside from the whole steering wheel thing) #vwgolf
11/06/09
@Tiberiuswise: Notice how the grille is slightly leaned back from vertical on the pictured car, like on the Mark II Golf. All original Mk. I Golfs/Rabbits had strictly vertical grilles. The US-made version got rectangular headlights, wraparound front signal lights, wide taillights, and an interior that was color-coordinated to hell and back. #vwgolf
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Also, the wheels look pushed out a little on the black one in the post. I'm tempted to think some suspension and other engineering refinements were made. #vwgolf
11/06/09
@Tiberiuswise: I'm sure that there were some minor engineering changes for US production. Also, the wraparound turn signals and wide taillights were only on the 1981 and later cars. The '79-'80 Rabbits had more Euro-like front end and rear lights, though still with rectangular headlights. #vwgolf
10/09/09
Now I'm not sure how GM is going to use this advantage, but being that it is only running to charge the batteries, you could benefit by only running the engine at its most efficient operating conditions (Wide open throttle, peak torque, etc.), unlike a normal engine which has to run over its entire range of operating conditions, with most of them way below peak efficiency.
10/10/09
But that's not what Ben said and that's not how the Volt works. Ben wrote "It doesn't make sense to charge the batteries and drive the wheels." When the Volt's battery pack runs down to ~50% state of charge, the engine runs to generate electricity to power the motor to turn the wheels. Volt chief engineer Andrew Farah says "We’re going to tune the system to operate efficiently at a few points" and they can route any electricity generated beyond the instantanteous demand of the motor to the batteries, but the Volt is not trying to return the batteries to full charge. Should the batteries get to 80+%, maybe because you slammed on the brakes or drove downhill for a while, then the engine will turn off and the batteries will take over again.
Take all of this with a grain of salt since NO ONE outside of GM has driven a Volt with a depleted battery pack, but gm-volt.com is reporting the engineers' latest thinking.
You want to recharge a battery at home where electricity is cheapest - otherwise we'd all run gasoline generators to power our homes!
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GM wants to get you where you're going with the cheapest energy source available. For the first 40 miles, that's electricity, for the rest of the available range, that's gasoline. It doesn't make sense to charge the batteries and drive the wheels. Drive the wheels with the e-motors, keep it simple without some complex engine decoupling mechanism.
When you get home, plug in the car and juice the batteries with cheap electricity instead of filling them up with expensive gasoline generated electricity.
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My civic get's better city, and same highway...
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And it smelled like fresh french-fries whenever he was burning the SVO...
I think it had somewhere around 250k mi when he bought it and did the SVO conversion, and he had put on another 100k last I heard...
Good stuff.
10/03/09
Go up a bit if diesel was higher and you still wnd up with some incredibly low costs for road tripping! Will we ever have it so good again?
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The first ones, like Murilee's find, are even better. Not as quick but even more durable with better mileage.
Another brilliant find, Murilee!
10/03/09
Got it b/c they were supposed to be cheap to deal with and get great mileage.
According to him, it's the only car he's ever hated. And he once drove a car with the hood held down by a rope.
It didn't get the mileage it was supposed to and it kept breaking.