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    Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
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    Image of junkman junkman
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Ypsilanti, Michigan, one of the coolest car towns in the world, takes it on the chin again with the closing of the historic Willow Run operation. We should all make the trek to Ypsi this weekend for the Orphan Car Show in support of the community.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Why? Why in the fuck is the Arlington, TX, SUV plant not on the chopping block?
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    Image of tenbeers tenbeers
    06/01/09

    @I wish for a D/FW LeMons: That plant built the B-Body, including the 94-96 Impala SS, so as far as I'm concerned it is entitled to stay open forever just on those merits. Forever!!
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    Image of B1663R B1663R
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    What? no love for Oshawa?
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    Image of .357 .357
    06/01/09

    @B1663R: I know I'll be killed for saying this, but, less traffic!
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    Image of .357 .357
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    It looks like the map for the annual Big Lots meetup.
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    Image of .357 .357
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    And I thought Cleavland was already pissed off about the Cavaliers.
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    Image of Triborough Triborough
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    No doubt they are retooling the factories for this glorious automobile!

    It is a Lada!
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    06/01/09

    @Triborough: Also, black polyester and gold chains for everyone!
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    Image of Jim-Bob Jim-Bob
    06/01/09

    @Triborough: If they were, I would have a reason to buy a GM car! Lovely styling (can't get enough of the 3 box sedan), and Italian engineering that was further refined by the glorious people of the Soviet Union. AvtoVaz 2107 FTW!!! Now if they were to round out their lineup with a ZAZ 965 and a Trabant 601, they would have the perfect lineup.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    06/01/09

    @Jim-Bob: And they'd be faster and more efficient than the Aveo, one and all!
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    At least we have golf.
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    Image of Captain Liverspots Captain Liverspots
    06/01/09

    @engineerd:


    Until they rename it "rabbit" again. Bastards.

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    06/01/09

    @Capt. Eldrock Bolton: It's about time someone got that reference. I could have capitalized it, but that would take all the challenge out of it.
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Hitler. Just getting that out of the way for everyone who's angry at Obama.


    Also, [www.globalresearch.ca]

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    Image of baldy_pm baldy_pm
    06/01/09

    @brandegee: Ha. Ha. Ha.


    I guess you don't care that these idiots are spending away our future. I don't care if they are (R) or (D). I'm equally unimpressed with their decisions.

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    Image of despisethesun despisethesun
    06/01/09

    @baldy_pm * Tinfoil Hat now standard equipment: Whether or not he cares is irrelevant. I'm guessing he's unimpressed with the quality of comments on the subject, as am I. Regardless of one's opinion on the bailout/bankruptcy situation, it would sure be nice to read comments that are more intelligent than "Obama's a Nazi/commie/doody head/etc".
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    Image of baldy_pm baldy_pm
    06/01/09

    @despisethesun: So I guess you are up for some more "butt hole road" stories?
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    06/01/09

    If GM had been building titanium drivers in the first place they'd never be in this mess.
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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Wait, they're closing the Pontiac stamping plant? Why could that be? Hmmmm....
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    On the plus side, I finally know where Scranton is.
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    Image of despisethesun despisethesun
    06/01/09

    @boosted-lego-wagon -> now boosted to 350hp: There's a great punk band from there called the Menzingers, if you're into that sort of thing.
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    06/01/09

    @despisethesun: Any good Police cover bands?
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    Image of Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm
    06/01/09

    @boosted-lego-wagon -> now boosted to 350hp:
    That's where I order my paper from. A place called Dunder/Mifflin.
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    Image of .357 .357
    06/01/09

    @Tiberiuswise: Same here. From a man named Michael.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    A couple of years ago the US auto market was running at about 18 million vehicles a year. This year that's down to around 9 million. I've heard talk that the scrappage rate is 16 million a year, but that seems wildly optimistic. I'm betting on a non-recession yearly rate of 12 million. Does anyone know what these closures are doing to GMs overall capacity? With an anticipated market share of around 20% (and I'm pulling that number out of my ass) that would be about 2.4 million vehicles annually. Do they leave enough capacity to provide that?
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    06/01/09

    @Graverobber:


    Yep, capacity at 2 shifts a day is now at about 2.3-2.4 mil. This leaves overtime and extra shifts in case things go well to up it over that.


    I've always read 12 mil as scrappage rate. I'd say we'll be 12-14 mil for normal years through 2014ish.

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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    06/01/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: Thanks. I got the 16 mill scrappage rate from an NPR commentator on Saturday, so I could be wrong there. Still, 12 - 14 seems like where we're headed. I wonder what the realistic margin is at that level? Also, can GM get its financing back up and running?
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Based on the FBI profile of the perpetrator, in tandem with this map, we have determined with 90% certainty that he is a male, probably in his 40s, with a graduate level education. He probably lives in the Maryland/Virginia area, but our indicators point to a very wide footprint in his history, including, but not limited to, Hawaii, Illionois, and possibly somewhere in the archipelagos of southeast Asia.


    Also, if you connect the dots, it looks like a basketball shoe. This is not a coincidence.

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    Image of flyingstitch flyingstitch
    06/01/09

    @Ash78: Ash78 holds a monopolistic position in the COTD market. I demand an antitrust investigation.
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    Image of FormerlyPreferredCustomer FormerlyPreferredCustomer
    06/01/09

    @Ash78: Unfortunately, the perp description you've given is probably just of an accomplice. The actual masterminds of this scheme are or were all in their late 50s and 60s, white, and residents of the Detroit metro area. Known aliases include Smith and Wagoner.
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    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    06/01/09

    @flyingstitch: We will form a committee to look into this issue.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    06/01/09

    @FormerlyPreferredCustomer: Either way, I'm sure we'll have the culprit gettelfingered soon!
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    There's your problem, that car lot can be summed up as:

    A Field Of Bland.
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    06/01/09

    @Flathead Smith: Starring Kevin Costner.


    "If you build it, they won't come."

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    Image of baldy_pm baldy_pm
    06/01/09

    @boosted-lego-wagon -> now boosted to 350hp: Would probably do better that Water World.
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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    06/01/09

    @baldy_pm: No, GM is sinking, too. And in contrast, I for one was actually pretty sad to see the Mariner's trimaran go under.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/01/09

    @Flathead Smith: Clearly you have never driven a Saturn SL2.

    If you had, that field would by no means be bland to you.
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    Image of Ted St Clair Ted St Clair
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Not that its even slightly relevant, but I saw my first government motors camaro this morning.*(on a flatbead)*
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    06/01/09

    @Ted St Clair: That's "on a flatbed from Canada."
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    06/01/09

    In reply to Map: The United States Of GM Plant Closures
    Its just a sad day today. I can't even muster up the gumption to pretend to go to work.
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