On his trip to Vulcan, did he happen to mention anything about Saturn and how F'ed it is? Not only are the majority of Saturns on the road today F'ed up pieces of shit like mine. For that matter, how the f*ck any of the old Saturns are still on the goddamn road is beyond me. The cars are so F'ed up that apparently not even the F'ing service technicians can do anything to fix the stupid little F'ers. It must be karma. I just told some guy yesterday that I had had nothing but good experiences with the Saturn dealer and service department, this after having spent close to two grand in the past six weeks for major overhauls of the steering, breaks, and transmission. I finally got the F'ing car back last Friday, and last night the F'er just gave out on me. Gears didn't catch, power steering and breaks froze up, and the battery and oil lights came on. Battery and oil were changed three weeks ago. Brakes overhauled six weeks ago. Power steering overhauled two weeks ago. Transmission overhauled Friday. F Saturns. F the Saturn service department for F'ing that one up. While I'm at it, F everything.
Tell Lutz to take Saturn and shove it up Vulcan's ass.
I'm going to shut the F up and go back to f'ing hole in the wall as I await news of what the F happened with F'ing F of a car.
The Service Managers at both local Saturn dealerships rued my existence. Especially the day that the LS2 From Hell just...stopped, on the way home from the dealership, where it had just been "fixed" for...just stopping. It was bad enough when the service manager disputed my claim that it was the same problem, and it got worse when I told the tow truck driver to bill the dealership. When the repair tech who rode along for the test drive after the 2nd fix told me that he properly diagnosed the problem the first time, aided by the SERVICE BULLETIN Saturn issued on this very problem, but the Service Manager overruled him, I turned a shade of red not usually seem outside the lobster community. I'm usually fairly non-confrontational, but I thought I was going to have a police escort off the premises that day. They finally fixed everything and charged me nothing, but politely requested I use the other dealership from then on...who proceeded to fuck me a couple months later when the goddamn oil pump (that had only been half-working, but nobody seemed to notice) decided to shit itself.
I am about there. They are going to call me by 11am (west coast time), and tell me what the fuck happened. If they try to charge me so much as a penny, they are going to find themselves facing the worst shitstorm they could possibly imagine.
Heads are going to roll at that Saturn dealership today.
On a side note, mine is an SL2 as well. Thus far, I thought I was the only one to go through this kind of shit with an SL2. I know other who have them that have had to do nothing more than change the oil, spark plugs, and brakes over the course of ten years.
Needless to say, I am not friends with them anymore.
@pauljones: Good luck to you. My brother-in-law's 2000 SL has been through two engines and two trannies in nine years, and he's stuck driving it for quite a while longer to hopefully recoup those costs (assuming nothing else happens).
Our recently sold L-series was trouble-free for 6 years, but my gut was telling me there was something on the horizon.
If you have anymore issues just call Saturn customer service (assuming they have one). Don't even deal with the service manager. You'll get farther that way.
@aSoundofF*cking: @pauljones: Please post video of the shitstorm! Most GM service managers that bother get more training in customer anger diffusion than actual service procedures...
I think Bob is out of his gourd. The Volt will be a low-volume, expensive car, that they will probably sell for a loss just like Toyota did with the early prii. How much has GM spent of fuel cells and things like the Volt? I heard $2B a few years ago, but that was before the Volt, so that figure could have easily doubled to $4B. And let's say they have a production run of 5 years and are able to sell 100,000 of these at $40K and it costs them $25K to make materials, labor, and overhead. That comes out to a total cost of $8B and a revenue of $2.5B. Sounds like a major failure if you ask me.
@maximum-sienna: I'm sure, along the course of the Volt's existence, that a combination of licensing revenue (say, if Lancia wants to make a version) and some sort of political pandering (say, if Obama wants to toss them a few billion to defray sunk costs) will make things work out for them.
@Ash78: Let's hope so. There is an advantage to be had for having invented something that goes far beyond the inventor's capacity to produce it. If I were the new sucker...er...chairman of GM, I'd be having a discussion with the President about the Volt and how them in ordinary people's hands.
In better times, this would have been a Cadillac. Full out with cutting edge styling, all the toys, gobs of power and Corolla mileage. It would have been a miracle car, one that everyone wished they could afford to buy - for $60,000. The next year, there would be a new Buick Electra along the same lines - a big, plush, powerful sedan (or personal luxury coupe) for the junior executive for $50,000.
There would also be a new Corvette coming the following year, which would blow all previous 'vettes away.
In three years, some hotshot engineers cheap down this technology, much improved since P. Diddy drove the original Cadillac to the MTV Music Awards, and puts it in the next-gen Chevy Bel-Air. It's 1955 all over again, and there is a hot-shit family sedan in showrooms for ordinary folks for $28,000. For that, you get a reasonably comfortable family sedan/wagon with good power and 50 MPG.
But no, they have to START with the Chevy, and I'm here to tell you, NOBODY is going to buy a Honda Civic class Chevrolet for forty grand. Not without subsidies. Are the conservatives on this board willing to accept that?
@HurtsSoGood: it actually will be a Cadillac [jalopnik.com] , and an Opel [jalopnik.com] , and I'm sure they'll throw in a Holden version just to cover all the bases.
So hopefully between all of them they can sell a decent amount, gather some nice profit from the Caddy version, and eventually knock the price down.
What surprised me is how much the Obama report seemed to look down on it yesterday- what they said was true, it is expensive and won't completely turn around the company, but this is the kind of car you would think they want GM to make. I expected a little more confidence and support for it.
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@dwegmull welcomes all the ghosts: Bingo, he's used to the grounding electrodes.
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Too bad they hinted at the road geographically instead of referring to the mythical creature.
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Sinceerly,
Innernet Spelling Poleece.
03/31/09
Tell Lutz to take Saturn and shove it up Vulcan's ass.
I'm going to shut the F up and go back to f'ing hole in the wall as I await news of what the F happened with F'ing F of a car.
/End angry rant.
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Not the old pieces of shit like I have. The new ones (Aura, Astra, Sky, Outlook, and Vue) are nice, though.
03/31/09
Other people's angry rants me warm on the inside. Bravo.
03/31/09
It is sometimes nice to know that you aren't the only who just got f*cked over and is having a shitty time of it.
03/31/09
The Service Managers at both local Saturn dealerships rued my existence. Especially the day that the LS2 From Hell just...stopped, on the way home from the dealership, where it had just been "fixed" for...just stopping. It was bad enough when the service manager disputed my claim that it was the same problem, and it got worse when I told the tow truck driver to bill the dealership. When the repair tech who rode along for the test drive after the 2nd fix told me that he properly diagnosed the problem the first time, aided by the SERVICE BULLETIN Saturn issued on this very problem, but the Service Manager overruled him, I turned a shade of red not usually seem outside the lobster community. I'm usually fairly non-confrontational, but I thought I was going to have a police escort off the premises that day. They finally fixed everything and charged me nothing, but politely requested I use the other dealership from then on...who proceeded to fuck me a couple months later when the goddamn oil pump (that had only been half-working, but nobody seemed to notice) decided to shit itself.
So I feel your pain.
03/31/09
I am about there. They are going to call me by 11am (west coast time), and tell me what the fuck happened. If they try to charge me so much as a penny, they are going to find themselves facing the worst shitstorm they could possibly imagine.
Heads are going to roll at that Saturn dealership today.
03/31/09
On a side note, mine is an SL2 as well. Thus far, I thought I was the only one to go through this kind of shit with an SL2. I know other who have them that have had to do nothing more than change the oil, spark plugs, and brakes over the course of ten years.
Needless to say, I am not friends with them anymore.
03/31/09
Our recently sold L-series was trouble-free for 6 years, but my gut was telling me there was something on the horizon.
Sorry to hear you had to go to the dealership.
03/31/09
If you have anymore issues just call Saturn customer service (assuming they have one). Don't even deal with the service manager.
You'll get farther that way.
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Conversely, having vented my frustrations, I could take a more rational approach to solving the issue.
It's an option.
03/31/09
What's that? He isn't really Sylar from Heroes? Oh, he spells his name Siler.
Damn, now I have to re-evaluate my entire belief system again.
03/31/09
I think Bob is out of his gourd. The Volt will be a low-volume, expensive car, that they will probably sell for a loss just like Toyota did with the early prii. How much has GM spent of fuel cells and things like the Volt? I heard $2B a few years ago, but that was before the Volt, so that figure could have easily doubled to $4B. And let's say they have a production run of 5 years and are able to sell 100,000 of these at $40K and it costs them $25K to make materials, labor, and overhead. That comes out to a total cost of $8B and a revenue of $2.5B. Sounds like a major failure if you ask me.
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In better times, this would have been a Cadillac. Full out with cutting edge styling, all the toys, gobs of power and Corolla mileage. It would have been a miracle car, one that everyone wished they could afford to buy - for $60,000. The next year, there would be a new Buick Electra along the same lines - a big, plush, powerful sedan (or personal luxury coupe) for the junior executive for $50,000.
There would also be a new Corvette coming the following year, which would blow all previous 'vettes away.
In three years, some hotshot engineers cheap down this technology, much improved since P. Diddy drove the original Cadillac to the MTV Music Awards, and puts it in the next-gen Chevy Bel-Air. It's 1955 all over again, and there is a hot-shit family sedan in showrooms for ordinary folks for $28,000. For that, you get a reasonably comfortable family sedan/wagon with good power and 50 MPG.
But no, they have to START with the Chevy, and I'm here to tell you, NOBODY is going to buy a Honda Civic class Chevrolet for forty grand. Not without subsidies. Are the conservatives on this board willing to accept that?
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So hopefully between all of them they can sell a decent amount, gather some nice profit from the Caddy version, and eventually knock the price down.
What surprised me is how much the Obama report seemed to look down on it yesterday- what they said was true, it is expensive and won't completely turn around the company, but this is the kind of car you would think they want GM to make. I expected a little more confidence and support for it.
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Are you still dating Lafawnduh?
Are you still training to be a cage fighter?
Your mom goes to college
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