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    Image of I'm the Replacement for Displacement I'm the Replacement for Displacement
    10/20/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    I pee in their cornflakes. #8 is the greatest mother lovin' rubbin' racin' driver in the history of NAZKAR! #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of High Speed Indeed High Speed Indeed
    10/20/09

    @I'm the Replacement for Displacement: Calvin pees on your driver. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of veronykah veronykah
    10/20/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    Can someone elaborate exactly WHY one would want T-tops?
    I admit, I've never been in a car with them... #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Effin' Eh Effin' Eh
    10/20/09

    @veronykah: Most of the structure of a coupe, and most of the airflow of a convertible.

    Admittedly, I never really take mine off unless it's insanely hot. Too much wind noise. #gmbankruptcy
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    P161911 probably shoudn't have promoted this comment Effin' Eh was starred Effin' Eh was unstarred
    Image of Oilcan-Harry Oilcan-Harry
    10/20/09

    @veronykah: The T-Top is polarised and deeply tinted it's nice to have an "up" window!
    Also It only takes a second or two to pop em and slide them into thier protective covers and put em where they go.
    The T-Top is not noisey, and when running with them stowed gives a near ragtop experience riding with the tops off, better in that air doesn't invade the entire passenger compartment as a hurricane, if I want battered by the wind I'll ride a motorcycle thank you!
    Not quite as good for drive-bys due to the fact that you can't swing you'r barrel as far, as easily.
    Ragtops had about a 99% rollover survivability fail, I have had several ragtops A Sunbeam Alpine, A 64 Dodge Dart, and a 69 Firebird, an MGA Roadster, so I'm not anti ragtop.
    T-Tops have structure which while not a true roll-cage, give better survivability, especialy belted drivers and passengers have a better chance of not getting you'r head mashed by the road, field, bridge, ect..
    Several high dollar rides have T-Tops and sections which remove or retract into the automobile giving the driver and passenger an undeniabley more interesting ride than a hardtop provides.
    Driving a car should be an invigorating experience, the feeling of freedom is part of that.
    Stop by some place with some fast used cars take a test ride and feel the magic of the T, nice huh?
    Have fun ya'll. #gmbankruptcy
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    P161911 probably shoudn't have promoted this comment Oilcan-Harry was starred Oilcan-Harry was unstarred
    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    10/20/09

    @veronykah: I had T-tops in my Trans Am (that leaked) and I rarely took them out. I have T-tops in my 77 Vette (that leak) and I rarely put them in. It depends on the car. The Vette is just so much awesomer with them out. Yes, I said awsomer. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of FrankGrimes FrankGrimes
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    I find it funny that no LT1 is listed as a reason why GM went bankrupt and the optispark which was on the LT1 as a reason why it did go bankrupt. Oh ya I haven't read the comments so hopefully I am not repeating. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Cody Ace Cody Ace
    10/19/09

    @FrankGrimes:

    I take it your sense of humor is about zero right?

    It's my little brother's little joke. We've got a good friend who is an LT1 junky, so we figured this would make him laugh when he came in that day for an inspection. #gmbankruptcy
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    FrankGrimes promoted this comment Cody Ace was starred Cody Ace was unstarred
    Image of FrankGrimes FrankGrimes
    10/19/09

    @Cody Ace: If you have watched The Simpsons in your life you would realize my avatar is a character on said show. Oh BTW The Simpsons is a animated comedy. For more information check your local library. Or here [en.wikipedia.org] #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Cody Ace Cody Ace
    10/20/09

    @FrankGrimes:
    You could have saved time / energy by just answering a simple 'no' instead of writing a term paper. Professional trolls: lonely and miserable since the days of newsgroups. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of uncle moe uncle moe
    10/20/09

    not to jump in the middle of a slap fight, but your avatar is also one of the least likely characters in the history of the show to exhibit a sense of humor
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    FrankGrimes promoted this comment Edited by uncle moe at 10/20/09 10:03 AM uncle moe was starred uncle moe was unstarred
    Image of FrankGrimes FrankGrimes
    10/20/09

    @Cody Ace: You must have got very bad grades if your term papers were a single paragraph. #gmbankruptcy
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    10/20/09

    @uncle moe: He may not have a great sense of humor, but because I have a sense of humor I enjoy his crazy antics. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    They forgot: "Most interior trim pieces rattle incessantly after a couple-hundred miles, and fall off completely & irrepairably after 2,500".

    Or maybe that should be '#8.
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    Edited by HoonThatFerrari at 10/19/09 9:33 PM HoonThatFerrari was starred HoonThatFerrari was unstarred
    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    10/20/09

    @HoonThatFerrari - Once Again w/Star - Always on the Edge, Baby!: Yeah, #8 sucks. We established that above. *grin* #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    10/21/09

    @MushyHeirloom: Are you saying that I mentioned something that someone else already covered? If so, I still don't see it in the thread... my apologies if I essentially duplicated someone else's efforts. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    no t-tops, hear, hear! #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of 500wishes 500wishes
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    i always said what killed GM was making abusing the W body into so many cars and J body until it wasn't funny at all to sell such a dated car as brand new #gmbankruptcy
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    P161911 probably shoudn't have promoted this comment 500wishes was starred 500wishes was unstarred
    Image of weatherman weatherman
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    How is "no el camino" not on that list? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of LegendaryC LegendaryC
    10/19/09

    @weatherman: Not just the lack of an El Camino but the lack of the Chevelle. It was the ultimate car. It came as a coupe, four door, wagon, flat bed (El Camino), and had engines ranging from straight sixes to 454 V8s. #gmbankruptcy
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    weatherman promoted this comment LegendaryC was starred LegendaryC was unstarred
    Image of bzr bzr
    10/19/09

    @weatherman: Because it's the abridged edition. The full-length edition would probably only fit in low orbit. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    10/20/09

    @LegendaryC: The Corvair was even better. It did all of those tricks, PLUS it was a van. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of TurboBrick [LIGIER] TurboBrick [LIGIER]
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    Dale Jr. does suck and I was just wondering how long was that contract that he signed with Hendrick. #gmbankruptcy
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment TurboBrick [LIGIER] was starred TurboBrick [LIGIER] was unstarred
    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    Yeah!

    No T-Tops...you GM guys SUCK.

    ...even though T-Tops = in-car shower/EZ theft access... #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of SpardaFatalis SpardaFatalis
    10/19/09

    @send lawyers, guns, and money: a small price to pay for awesomeness #gmbankruptcy
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    send lawyers, guns, and money promoted this comment SpardaFatalis was starred SpardaFatalis was unstarred
    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    10/19/09

    @SpardaFatalis: @Pinkerton Proletariat: @Shadowguitar:

    Oh, I'm not sayin' I wouldn't own a car with 'em, I'm just sayin'...

    ...after I own a '72 or '73 Eldorado convertible. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    No Rick Wagoner bashing? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    The bigger question is, "What do they need to do to prevent it from happening again?"

    I'd like to start the list with figuring out how to build small cars that appeal to someone who can afford to buy Japanese or European. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    10/19/09


    @Alfisted: They know how. They've done it. But when they brought it over here, no one bought it. You think they're going to fall for that lie again? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: The market will move that way and now that they're shedding Opel and Saturn, they're going to be hard pressed to meet the shift. They don't even have the Toyota venture to turn to. I tremble at the prospect of a modern Vega or Chevette. Aveo, anyone?
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    Edited by Alfisted at 10/19/09 6:51 PM Alfisted was starred Alfisted was unstarred
    Image of wkiernan wkiernan
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: Exactly. Their customer base doesn't desire a decent Euro-designed car, and we who want such a car don't trust them after decades of betrayal and heartbreak.

    Even after we hard-beset taxpayers bail their worthless asses out (mainly to keep all their long-suffering workies off the bread line) they still go out that extra mile just to pee on us. Wanna manual transmission? Fuck off! You like roadsters? We got your roadster right here, no wait, fuck off! Ooh look, we brought over a GTO!!! an a G8!!! dontcha want one of those, huh? Huh? Betcha do, dontcha? Nice huh? Well then FUCK RIGHT OFF!

    But we will, in fact, sell one to the pigs. Just not to you. Hey see this finger, it's for you! #gmbankruptcy
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment wkiernan was starred wkiernan was unstarred
    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: There is a lot of evidence to suggest that GM of Europe is the GM of Europe. The US-market Astra was nowhere near as good as the Civic or Mazda3 in terms of overall and finish. They brought the right KIND of car with the Astra, but that was only partway there. And the Aveo? First, it's not even a GM, and second, it insults the Honda Fit's intelligence. I mean, if you're not even going to make the car yourself, at least pick a better one to sell under your name. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    10/19/09

    @theeastbaykid: True. Mazda 3 was probably a better car. But I doubt that many people test drove both and came to the decision to buy a 3. The fact is that people just didn't talk about it. GM didn't do a good job in advertising, true. But it's not like average people ever actually look for a small GM or American car anyway.

    If I had a penny for all those "they'll never make it, it's only a concept" comments I heard in front of the Fiesta at the car show...
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    Edited by Pessimippopotamus at 10/19/09 7:44 PM Pessimippopotamus was starred Pessimippopotamus was unstarred
    Image of IN THE FACE! IN THE FACE!
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: Wait, what were you saying? I saw that picture and fell asleep... #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    10/19/09


    @IN THE FACE!: The same thing happens when I look at this, but apparently they sell hundreds of thousands of them each year. Baffling, isn't it? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: I agree, although the reason why small GM cars are often dismissed out of hand is because they've been lagging behind the competition for so long. There are whole generations of buyers that grew up on Hondas and Toyotas that would need major convincing to make a switch. Unfortunately, the Astra wasn't the answer--for argument's sake, let's say the Mazda 3 is the 100-point standard for the compact car segment. Everything GM offered before the Astra was in the 60-70 point range. The Astra might have been 85. So, a step in the right direction, but won't do much in terms of changing existing perception. #gmbankruptcy
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    theeastbaykid was starred theeastbaykid was unstarred
    Image of IN THE FACE! IN THE FACE!
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: The issue is that they would have had to BEAT Toyota either on features or price (or both), and they barely manage to match them.

    Additionally, I agree the corolla is nothing to get excited about, but the Astra is boring AND ugly IMHO, at least the corolla tries to look fast-ish and has a reasonably coherent collection of lines and curves... #gmbankruptcy
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    IN THE FACE! was starred IN THE FACE! was unstarred
    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    10/19/09

    @theeastbaykid: I understand. Whenever you're taking on an established name in their usual field, it's not good enough if you match them 100%. You have to give 110% to get noticed. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: I just hope GM doesn't use the Astra's lack of success as "evidence" that a car like that can't succeed in the American market. There's no engineering reason why GM can't equal or exceed something like the Mazda3--it just seems that there's always some external non-engineering reason why they can't deliver. Frustrating, but in the meantime there's always the Mazda3.... #gmbankruptcy
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    theeastbaykid was starred theeastbaykid was unstarred
    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    10/19/09

    @theeastbaykid: Or you could just wait for the global Focus, which will always be better than a Mazda 3? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    10/19/09

    @Pessimippopotamus: Yeah! (Like I said, though, in the meantime, there's always the Mazda3.) #gmbankruptcy
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    theeastbaykid was starred theeastbaykid was unstarred
    Image of veronykah veronykah
    10/20/09

    @theeastbaykid: You're totally right, well partly. I grew up with American cars, my father insisted on buying them. Guess what? EVERY single one left me stranded somewhere with a "mystery" problem at some point...
    The Pontiac, the Ford, the Oldsmobile, the Chevy...ALL of them.
    I've owned 2 Toyotas and the only things I've had to fix are parts that wear out.
    Unless it was something fun like a Corvette or a Viper, you'd NEVER get me to buy American. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    10/20/09

    @wkiernan: Yup, that pretty much sums things up. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    10/20/09

    @IN THE FACE!: The Corolla is a coherent what? What? Huh.

    I'm not sure there is a good-looking compact. Ah, the Civic is. But the Civic is the only genuinely attractive Honda. Confused yet? Me too. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of IN THE FACE! IN THE FACE!
    10/22/09

    @MushyHeirloom: I still haven't made up my mind about the new civics, I love my EP3 I don't consider it a "Beautiful" car, but definitely not ugly either.

    I am generally a Honda fanboi... #gmbankruptcy
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    IN THE FACE! was starred IN THE FACE! was unstarred
    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    OK, it's awesome. A beautiful bit of blue collar punditry. Does it almost seem professionally written? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Joe Valasek Joe Valasek
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    He forgot about how stupid the decision to kill the G8 and not make it available to regular people as a chev.

    Or how the Camaro ended up being a heavy pig.

    Or how they killed off the pretty little solstice with no revival. #gmbankruptcy
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    pauljones promoted this comment Joe Valasek was starred Joe Valasek was unstarred
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    10/19/09

    @Joe Valasek: You forgot about how all of that happened before the bankruptcy. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Joe Valasek Joe Valasek
    10/19/09

    @pauljones:
    The camaro was finalized a long time ago.

    But I guess I might have misunderstood a bit, I thought these were going to be the reasons why GM was going to go bankrupt again. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of ChiefPontiaxe ChiefPontiaxe
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    Hmmm. The LT-1 had optispark. Typical salty shop tech paradox. #gmbankruptcy
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    pauljones promoted this comment ChiefPontiaxe was starred ChiefPontiaxe was unstarred
    Image of pauljones pauljones
    10/19/09

    @ChiefPontiaxe: I was just thinking that, actually. Oh, the delicious paradoxical irony of it all.

    Also, GM can't be blamed for the whole drum brakes thing. Everyone, from Toyota and Honda to GM and Ford, had a role in that one. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of ChiefPontiaxe ChiefPontiaxe
    10/19/09

    @pauljones: Yeah, but the techs were spot-on with #3 #gmbankruptcy
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    10/19/09

    @ChiefPontiaxe: I love to hate my LT1. It has just enough power to keep it hooked up on life support. #gmbankruptcy
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    pauljones promoted this comment TRAMS_AM was starred TRAMS_AM was unstarred
    Image of pauljones pauljones
    10/19/09

    @TRAMS_AM: Try actually building it up and upgrading the components a little bit. You don't have to do anything too radical to it to get a healthy bump in power. #gmbankruptcy
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    10/19/09

    @pauljones: I think the power-to-failure ratio will stay about the same as upgrades are made. The whole car needs a lot of attention right now. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of Cody Ace Cody Ace
    10/19/09

    @pauljones: You're reading to far into it my friend. Cheer up :D #gmbankruptcy
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    pauljones promoted this comment Cody Ace was starred Cody Ace was unstarred
    Image of P161911 probably shoudn't have P161911 probably shoudn't have
    10/19/09

    @ChiefPontiaxe: Yep, I had two LT-1s a 1994 Corvette and a 1996 Z-28, both had to have the Optispark replaced. I was dumb enough to pay a dealer to fix the Vette and stupid enough to try to fix the Z-28 on my own. What a wonderful idea to put the highly moisture sensitive distributor behind the leak prone water pump. Made for lots of water pump parts sales. "Do you really want to pull the whole front of the engine apart again, just replace the damn water pump while you have it off." #gmbankruptcy
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    P161911 probably shoudn't have was starred P161911 probably shoudn't have was unstarred
    Image of pauljones pauljones
    10/19/09

    @Cody Ace: Fair enough. :) #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of ChiefPontiaxe ChiefPontiaxe
    10/20/09

    @P161911 probably shoudn't have: My first-gen SHO had a similar problem. Crank Position Sensor is located underneath the water pump- caused the car to suddenly die. How could such a legendary engine have such a stupid design flaw? #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of GV_Goat GV_Goat
    10/19/09

    In reply to Shop Techs Give Seven Reasons GM Went Bankrupt
    and secondly... "No LT1"? really? The LT1 successor, the LS1/LSX, was pure WIN and one of GM's few bright spots of the last several years. I say "No LT1" should be in the "FAILed in spite of" column. #gmbankruptcy
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    pauljones promoted this comment Edited by GV_Goat at 10/19/09 5:37 PM GV_Goat was starred GV_Goat was unstarred
    Image of pauljones pauljones
    10/19/09

    @GV_Goat: I agree that the LS-series engines are better than the LT1s, but even so, LT1s retain a very large following and are still very capable engines, well in excess of any of their contemporary competitors. #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of GV_Goat GV_Goat
    10/19/09

    @pauljones: Yup. A great platform to improve on (in spite of the opti-spark). #gmbankruptcy
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    10/19/09

    @pauljones: The LT1 was one of the most important performance developments in recent memory--it proved that "pushrod" doesn't mean "inferior." The LSX was an evolution of that theme, so both engines are soundly in the win column. The confusing part is why someone would consider the LSX to be a step BACKWARD from the LTX. #gmbankruptcy
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