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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    That's right Bob. Cars and society don't overlap.
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    Image of Foose1397 Foose1397
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    And this is why GM fails sometimes. There is no sense of innovation within the company and real care for the consumer. Cars WHERE created to make societal improvements and life easier and people still want products that do that. Frankly the product should speak for it self (which they are starting again) however a reality check is GM screwed there image and society wants something cool from them. You wanna sell product think of something innovative that entices people to by new.

    Think about the two largest purchases people make in there life cars and houses. So yeah people do care and wanna know they aren't gettin screwed by just an "automobile company" (which sounds not forward thinking, but penny pinching and dry).
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    Image of wojo-The Defective Psyience Detective: wojo-The Defective Psyience Detective:
    10/14/09

    @Foose1397: If you're going to write a word in all caps, make sure it is the right one.

    /just sayin'
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    Wait, I'm getting deja vu....someone said words to this effect in a movie made by some big fat guy. Something about a guy named Roger. Although that movie was made 20 years ago, and there's no way that GM wouldn't have learned something between then and now...right?
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    Image of dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    By "we" does he mean GM or the US government?
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    Image of cityag cityag
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    Let Honda save the world and see where that gets them.
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    Image of Morgan Thompson Morgan Thompson
    10/14/09

    @cityag: UMM Honda and BMW are the only two car companies that spend more money on R&D than they do on advertising. And that research is not just cars...
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    10/14/09

    @Morgan Thompson: As someone who respects both of these companies, I would like some hard data so that I can feel free to whip out this nugget of information when necessary.
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    Image of jodark jodark
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    Fuckin' a right. Except the whole thing where we own your ass. And you make shitty cars, with a few exceptions.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    10/14/09

    @jodark: I'd argue the converse and say they make good to great cars with a few shitty (old) exceptions.
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    Image of jodark jodark
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: The only exceptions I'd make are the ZR1 and the Camaro. I would have added the G8 and GTO however they no longer make those.

    *edit* I forgot to add the CTS-V.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    10/14/09

    @jodark: Add in the Malibu, SRX, Equinox/Terrain, LaCrosse, Silverado, Enclave, CTS, and CTS Sportwagon.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: ... CTS LX, CTS with sport trim, CTS in white, CTS in silver...
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I'm inclined to agree. Unfortunately perception lags reality and GM has a couple of decades of awful to recover from.
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    Image of MadcowsDiseased MadcowsDiseased
    10/14/09

    @Alfisted:
    minus malibu

    It's mediocre for the segment - I would hardly call it "good".
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    Image of jodark jodark
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Crossovers and trucks don't count ever. They aren't cars and aren't meant for enjoyable driving. And the Malibu is crap. And I've driven a LaCrosse and it was horrific.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    10/15/09

    @MadcowsDiseased: The whole segment is mediocre. #boblutz
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    Image of MadcowsDiseased MadcowsDiseased
    10/15/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: But then what would mediocre of mediocre be considered? #boblutz
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    10/15/09

    @MadcowsDiseased: Normal. #boblutz
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    Image of MadcowsDiseased MadcowsDiseased
    10/15/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I'll just come out and say it, then:

    Give me an Accord or Jetta over a malibu anyday. At the very least, the interior materials and design on both cars aren't cheesy. I know that doesn't sound like much, but it's not like all these cars offer much in the first place. #boblutz
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    Image of TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    "We're in the nat-zee killin' bizness"
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    Image of jodark jodark
    10/14/09

    @TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah: Grat-see.
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    Image of PowerTryp, Starless wonder. PowerTryp, Starless wonder.
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    Hate to tell you this Bob but you're in the Automobile business and right now your business is image restabilization, and that means talking up your restructuring and changes is a key part of that business.

    Look at Ford, they were in worse shape than GM 4-5 years ago and now after a solid restructure and flaunting of that restructure they are looking to become the #1 North American automaker.
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    TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah promoted this comment PowerTryp, Starless wonder. was starred PowerTryp, Starless wonder. was unstarred
    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    Maybe they should switch, they were out of the automobile business a few months ago.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    10/14/09

    @mr_dude: Actually, they're more in the car business now then they were before. They used to be a bank that happened to make cars, now they're a car company that doesn't turn profits.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Amen.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: True, I remember about this time last year the GMAC home lender was telling me that they were impervious to the recent financial turmoil since they'd been around so long...
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    Image of Brian Brian
    10/14/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Is it possible for a Jalop staffer to get COTD? If so, I think we're done here.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    You say "Tepid Pizza", I think of Julia Roberts.

    I offer no excuses.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    10/14/09

    @beercheck: Strangely, I never found her to be all that attractive. She's pretty, but not knock-your-socks-off stunning.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    10/14/09

    @pauljones: So, not hot, exactly, right? Hmmm..
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    Image of DeusExMach wonders what the hell happened to his star. DeusExMach wonders what the hell happened to his star.
    10/14/09

    @pauljones: So... instead of being "hot" what would you call her?

    See? No excuses necessary.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    10/14/09

    @pauljones: Name a hotter 65 year old woman.
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    Image of PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287
    10/14/09

    @mr_dude: Maria Bello, Salma Hayek, and Halle Barry are all older than Julia. No excuses.
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    Image of I was drivin' that Model A I was drivin' that Model A
    10/14/09

    @PotbellyJoe - Wishes for Stars Upon Thars:

    Agreed. Look at Nicole Kidman, Catherine Zeta-Jones (I question her published age), Lucy Lawless, Tea Leoni, Heather Locklear, and my personal fave, Kristin Davis. They're all as old, or older than Ms. Large Mouth.

    I'm biased, however. When I was 22 I met my last girlfriend, now wife for more than a decade, who was 38.
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    Image of PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287 PotbellyJoe - As seen on I-287
    10/14/09

    @brake booster by Lucas...I'd better get religion!: I'm with you, my wife is 6 years my senior. It's not 16 years, but it was enough.
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    Image of LuluTurner LuluTurner
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    "We're not good people or bad people. We're just a bunch of cunts."
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    Image of I was drivin' that Model A I was drivin' that Model A
    10/14/09

    @LuluTurner: cunt

    Ah, the word used my father employed to describe my wife...and one of the #1 reason we have not spoken in, uh, seven years.

    #2 was what precipitated it, me asking for an IOU for the $30K he wanted to "borrow".

    I hope he lives a long, lonely life.

    /my apologies...had to get the off my chest after last night's dreams
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    10/14/09

    @brake booster by Lucas...I'd better get religion!: Wooww... I think I am going to send my dad a happy email right now. Just because.
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    Image of twitchykun (Level 1 Jalop-Knight) twitchykun (Level 1 Jalop-Knight)
    10/14/09

    In reply to Bob Lutz—
    Lutz for GM CEO.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    10/14/09

    @twitchykun (Level 1 Jalop-Knight): Sadly, I don't think Lutz is ever going to be the CEO of any car company. He likes cars too much.
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    Image of twitchykun (Level 1 Jalop-Knight) twitchykun (Level 1 Jalop-Knight)
    10/15/09

    @FTGDWolverineEdition'09: Truth. #boblutz
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    10/13/09

    In reply to Got Pin?
    Selling fewer cars at higher profits might actually be a decent strategy.
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    10/13/09

    In reply to Got Pin?
    Really, killing off Pontiac will evaporate 20% of GM's 20%.

    I will never, ever fully understand why they did that.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    10/12/09

    In reply to Got Pin?

    Yes, I do.
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